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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-daca-idUSKCN1B52KZ
Reuters says Trump will likely rescind DACA, the policy that protects illegals brought here as children from deportation. If this is done, does this mean all 11 million illegals are now deportable? The article says DAPA, the policy that protects the illegal immigrant parents of US citizens, was rescinded earlier this year. My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
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If you aren't white, you aren't welcome in Trump's America.
Also, this piece of s*** is really loving the cover that a Category 4 hurricane is giving him right now to do all sorts of heinous acts. Whatever it takes to get a President Pence needs to happen as soon as possible.
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Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English.
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Looks like he has decided to go all in on the Breitbart-agenda.
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If that happens, I expect California to do something.
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Charliesix posted...
Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English. They are also the first generation of immigrants that tends to contribute more to the higher levels of a nation's economy. You'll be kicking out millions of potentially highly skilled and intelligent immigrants that would wind up being a huge positive to the economy in the long run. And that is aside from the morality issues you mentioned.
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So America invests in these kids, gives them a great education, some of them with college degrees, and Trump is just going to take that investment, and give it to another country, for free?
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mrplainswalker posted...
Too bad we can't deport the Trump Humpers. They're less American than the border hoppers. Many of them worship the Confederacy, and would rather have Jefferson Davis as a President over someone like Obama. You literally can't get any less American than supporting a group like that.
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i wish the Democrats would propose a system where people can pay a fine to avoid deportation, and the payment can be made by any collective group of people on behalf of the immigrant being targeted
kind of like a GoFundMe for people the primary argument against illegal immigrants is that they are an economic burden on society. If that is the case then there's a numerical price that can be established for these people, a price that can be paid.
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Charliesix posted...
i wish the Democrats would propose a system where people can pay a fine to avoid deportation, and the payment can be made by any collective group of people on behalf of the immigrant being targeted Dems generally do push for that, GOP cries "AMNESTY" and we get no actual immigration reform.
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dont forget that birthright citizenship could easily go, too. It's tenuous from a constitutional view.
Anyway they broke the law whether they meant to or not. The compromise GOP would maybe agree to is mandatory military service for citizenship.
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oh gosh, clinton wanted to bring super criminals to heel, such a controversial thing. evil. evil!
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The Dreamer that has a court case with the judge Trump despises, that would push it to the chopping block. Trump would never let a combination like that get a win.
Anyone who is signed up for DREAMER will have to run since the government will have records.
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And now the fatal flaw of Obama's stupid executive order is showing itself... I was honestly expecting this one at the start of his presidency, I'm really surprised it took him this long.
Just think, all these people are on the books, this is going to be a massacre that will do damage to the US government's reputation. Also, isn't it under a million people using this? mystic belmont posted... So America invests in these kids, gives them a great education, some of them with college degrees, and Trump is just going to take that investment, and give it to another country, for free? MAGA!
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AndreLeGeant posted...
dont forget that birthright citizenship could easily go, too. It's tenuous from a constitutional view. "All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." There's nothing "tenuous" about it, all persons born in the US are US citizens until someone amends the Constitution again. Unless they want to argue Hispanics aren't people, I could see them doing that.
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Charliesix posted...
Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English. Esp. since I'm pretty sure I recall Trump stating that he won't deport any Dreamers unless they commit felony crimes.
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mystic belmont posted...
So America invests in these kids, gives them a great education, some of them with college degrees, and Trump is just going to take that investment, and give it to another country, for free? this. i am all for deporting illegal immigrants that are actually criminals but why get rid of people that contribute to the economy?
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Hyena 20 posted...
Charliesix posted...Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English. and people BELIEVED him?
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Charliesix posted...
The article says DAPA, the policy that protects the illegal immigrant parents of US citizens, was rescinded earlier this year. DAPA was essentially dead due to litigation in the courts but Trump made it official. And these DREAMers are nightmare for the American taxpayer. I am annoyed Trump didnt repeal DACA sooner, as promised.
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mystic belmont posted...
So America invests in these kids, gives them a great education, some of them with college degrees, and Trump is just going to take that investment, and give it to another country, for free? Yup, they were all going to work for NASA. Most illegal aliens are quite poor or not well off. Their kids will likely follow the same fate (or so SJWs and statistics constantly tell me). No thanks.
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TheHonorableOne posted...
Most illegal aliens are quite poor or not well off. How about we compare these illegals with college educations and job prospects to worthless rednecks and deport the more worthless ones?
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central and south america need these smart young people to fix their countries. A "majority" of them are not from south america. They are largely from Mexico or central america (El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras). (There of course are exceptions) If you are talking about daca, alot of these people have little or no connection to those countries. Its not like those countries will subsidize them and help them out to get started either. It would literally be a waste for US and those countries, a lose-lose scenario. It would pretty much only serve as a political message and not much else. |
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Hyena 20 posted...Charliesix posted...Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English. I think it's more that Trump changed his mind. Just like he did when he decided he didn't care if it was Repeal & Replace or just straight up Repeal, even though he PROMISED that he would not repeal until he got a replacement.
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Seriously, if these illegals are taking people's jobs...then we should keep them and deport the people who got their jobs stolen. I'd rather have the people who can get jobs than the people who whine about not having jobs while being on welfare.
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Hyena 20 posted...
LightSnake posted...Hyena 20 posted...Charliesix posted...Deporting DREAMers would be extremely immoral. These are people who are culturally Americans in every way. They grew up here as children for God's sakes. Many probably don't even speak any language but English. Blame Congress for changing it every time, he can only peddle what they're promising.
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WRONG. For the first few months, he was heavily chastising them because they just wanted to straight repeal, and he said that no, they have to replace, first.
Throughout the summer, he said that he didn't care if it was repeal & replace or just plain repeal, that he would sign anything they placed on his desk without even reading it (not his exact words, but it's the only way to interpret them)
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mrplainswalker posted...
Too bad we can't deport the Trump Humpers. They're less American than the border hoppers. Border hoppers? You mean the same ones patriotically bringing tuberculosis and other largely eradicated diseases in with them? The same ones smuggling drugs in for the cartels? The same ones refusing to assimilate to our way of life and expecting us to cater to them? Yep. They are such valuable members of our society. While Trump is at it he needs to rescind the 'anchor baby' law. That way that'll give the pansy liberals one less reason to whine because the babies will be illegal just like the parents.
Internet forum logic: When my opinion agrees with yours we're good. When it doesn't, the one with the different opinion is 'whining'. Gotta love the internet!
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ThrillKillFan posted...
mrplainswalker posted...Too bad we can't deport the Trump Humpers. They're less American than the border hoppers. so you think that the 14th amendment to the Constitution needs to be repealed? wow, you're a damn fine racist specimen.
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You mean the same ones patriotically bringing tuberculosis and other largely eradicated diseases in with them? The same ones smuggling drugs in for the cartels? The same ones refusing to assimilate to our way of life and expecting us to cater to them? Yeah...them. Though a very low percentage of them actually do any of those things. And yeah, they're way better than Trump Humpers. I'd trade a Trump Humper for an illegal alien any day of the week.
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How about we compare these illegals with college educations Majority of illegals are hispanic/from mexico/central/south america. If they got their college educations and job prospects through affirmative action, that doesnt count. http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-adv-asian-race-tutoring-20150222-story.html Hispanics received a bonus of 185 points. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/418530/what-ivy-league-affirmative-action-really-looks-inside-david-french 20-30% percentile lower than whites - yikes. Funny how you single out 'rednecks' - which is what any good little leftist has to do. blame the evil white man! on deportation: Black adults were the most supportive of deportation, at 66 percent Of course, Dems just love blaming and comparing those evil 'rednecks' instead of realizing and acknowledging blacks probably suffer the most from illegal immigration. http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/24/poll-majority-of-blacks-whites-and-hispanics-in-san-diego-want-illegals-deported/ Just found this, kinda interesting: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/voto-secreto-trump-most-hispanics-back-deportation-want-immigration-cap-cut-in-half/article/2606769 The Pulse Opinion Research survey found that 51 percent of Hispanics believe that there has been "too little" done to enforce immigration laws. What's more, by a margin of 49 percent to 36 percent, Hispanics "support a policy causing illegal immigrants to return home by enforcing the law."
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TheHonorableOne posted...
If they got their college educations and job prospects through affirmative action, that doesnt count. Why doesn't it count? If they're employed, it counts. Keep them and deport the losers who can't get a job.
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alysbrangwin posted...
so you think that the 14th amendment to the Constitution needs to be repealed? wow, you're a damn fine racist specimen. The 14th amendment was created so the children of slaves freed after the Civil War would be citizens. The last time I checked these folks are coming here of their own free will. We don't owe them ANYTHING. So the sooner this loophole is closed the better. Because once the children are born here in this country the pansy liberals don't want to break up a family, so they all get a free pass then. But I suppose folks would rather we have another situation like Typhoid Mary pop up where somebody with a communicable disease causes a pandemic in this country again. There's a reason why we used to filter immigrants through Ellis Island.
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ThrillKillFan posted...
So the sooner this loophole is closed the better. Because once the children are born here in this country the pansy liberals don't want to break up a family, so they all get a free pass then. Amen. We should require at least parent to be a citizen or permanent resident.
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TheHonorableOne posted...
I dont think we have the money to put them in prison forever. I would support imprisonment in centers that exclusively housed illegals with god awful conditions and perhaps the death penalty. Once proven that the individual does not have the legal right to be in the country (granting exceptions for reasonable periods of overstaying a visa and such), they should not be entitled to any due process protections. No appeals, no appointed lawyer, etc. f*** off
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chaos knight posted...
If you aren't white, you aren't welcome in Trump's America. This isn't true. Charliesix posted... Many probably don't even speak any language but English. Citation needed -- most of them speak Spanish. McSame_as_Bush posted... Looks like he has decided to go all in on the Breitbart-agenda. Disagreed. mystic belmont posted... So America invests in these kids, gives them a great education, some of them with college degrees, and Trump is just going to take that investment, and give it to another country, for free? What a benevolent President, to finish your sentence, right? Anyway, Trump sucks.
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chaos knight posted...If you aren't white, you aren't welcome in Trump's America.
Also, this piece of s*** is really loving the cover that a Category 4 hurricane is giving him right now to do all sorts of heinous acts. Whatever it takes to get a President Pence needs to happen as soon as possible.
You're fooling yourself if you think Pence will be any real improvement. All he is is a smarter Trump that puts a veneer of sanity over his s***ty policies, along with a nice unassuming smile.
Pence has outright credited Rush Limbaugh for getting him interested to run for office, and is a fundamentalist that allowed an HIV outbreak Indiana to get bad all because he initially fought the ACA expanding coverage. He also had zero hesitation to visit a white community after a tornado, yet seemed apathetic about the lead crisis in East Chicago, which is majority poor blacks and a few poor whites. Not saying he shouldn't have shown up after a disaster, but it shows his priorities.
And don't forget that he willingly got on the Trump train, and is the a****** who initially revived TrumpCare.
So just because Trump is a heinous POS does not mean you should go with the trend of normalizing GOP extremists, and rehabilitating their image.http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1343-unofficial-nintendo-switch-board
My board for discussion of the NS, and other Nintendo related subjects.TheHonorableOne posted...Lord_of_BeefDip posted...
yet seemed apathetic about the lead crisis in East Chicago,
Democrats are apathetic about Chicago. Please dont try to spin this about Pence.
Then don't bring up something unrelated to deflect.http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1343-unofficial-nintendo-switch-board
My board for discussion of the NS, and other Nintendo related subjects.Ultimaspirit posted...If they're illegal then...
It sucks but that's the law. Their parents put them in a really s***ty position. Only hope is that their skills are useful elsewhere.
It's the law that Republicans fought to maintain ever since DACA, a reasonable and moral position, was proposed.
Law isn't just fabricated out of thin air. It's created and maintained by people. Why is the GOP so hell bent on deporting people who are fundamentally American in every conceivable way?
Keep in mind that the vast majority of DREAMers live in Democrat cities, and thus their "job stealing" effects are most impactful on Democrats, who are the least interested in deporting DREAMers. Why are Republicans who don't live in these Democrat cities so determined to control what happens in Democrat cities?
Again, if the "economic burden" issue is the focal point, why can't the GOP simply propose to penalize these people with a fine that can be collectively paid for by any group of individuals? Why go to the most extreme position possible, deportation of culturally American people to foreign countries they have no connections to?
There's plenty of middle ground to be found here, but the GOP isn't interested in finding it.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.com@TheHonorableOne
i find it interesting that in other topics you talk about the failures of black American culture, but in this topic, you're the guy coming to their rescue by wanting to deport illegals. Is it possible you're just an opportunistic a****** who doesn't give two s***s about black people, but will gladly sow divisions between blacks and other minorities in order to pursue your s***ty, "Neo-Nazis are leftist" worldview?
and did you ever get back to me on my question as to why your anti-immigrant population growth viewpoints aren't applied to black Americans?
you know, since black Americans have higher crime rates, higher poverty rates, higher murder rates than every immigrant demographic we can think of?Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comCharliesix posted...Law isn't just fabricated out of thin air. It's created and maintained by people. Why is the GOP so hell bent on deporting people who are fundamentally American in every conceivable way?
Yeah, immigration law wasnt fabricated out of thin air. So why shouldnt we expect illegals to abide by that?
Charliesix posted...Why is the GOP so hell bent on deporting people who are fundamentally American in every conceivable way?
This makes no sense for several reasons. First, you dont support deporting any of these illegals - this 'American in every conceivable way' is a nonsense qualifier. Second, other LEGAL immigrants are still American in every conceivable way. Illegals dont get an excuse.
Charliesix posted...who are the least interested in deporting DREAMers.
That's irrelevant because a tax drain affects all citizens the state.MAGA.Charliesix posted...anti-immigrant population growth viewpoints
I never said anything about policies regarding immigrants and child rearing.
Charliesix posted...i find it interesting that in other topics you talk about the failures of black American culture
I dont think there's a monolithic black culture. Blacks are just as diverse as anyone else with respect to interests, music, food, etc.MAGA.TheHonorableOne posted...
This makes no sense for several reasons. First, you dont support deporting any of these illegals - this 'American in every conceivable way' is a nonsense qualifier. Second, other LEGAL immigrants are still American in every conceivable way. Illegals dont get an excuse.
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who are the least interested in deporting DREAMers.
That's irrelevant because a tax drain affects all citizens the state.
"Nonsense qualifier" that is actually 100% true? Children brought to America are culturally American, do you seriously deny that? What happened to you that you actually think deporting a person raised in America to a foreign country makes any moral sense? Punishment needs to fit a crime. Do you seriously think what you're proposing is proportional to the crime? Illegal immigration is not and will never be a serious crime. That's why there's 11 million illegals in America, because few people give a crap.
As for tax drains, again, since there is a numerical cost, why isn't the GOP proposing to reduce the tax drain? Why isn't the GOP suggesting they pay a penalty for their tax effects, or just reduce taxation systems? Why is the GOP proposing to take people who grew up in America and forcefully deport them to countries they have no connection to? We're talking 600,000 people here.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comTheHonorableOne posted...Charliesix posted...
anti-immigrant population growth viewpoints
I never said anything about policies regarding immigrants and child rearing.
Charliesix posted...i find it interesting that in other topics you talk about the failures of black American culture
I dont think there's a monolithic black culture. Blacks are just as diverse as anyone else with respect to interests, music, food, etc.
Oh brother. Do I really need to quote your posts about the failures of black culture? Whatever cultural nuances you're referring to now, you certainly didn't mention before.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comCharliesix posted...why isn't the GOP proposing to reduce the tax drain?
...they do propose cutting social programs and other things and then Dems cry that's racist. So Dems largely want them in the country and then put them on welfare (California offers benefits to illegals including healthcare, education, food stamps, etc.).
Pretty funny trying to pin this on the GOP as not doing enough to cut costs.MAGA.I never got to get around to arguing with you about taxes, so let's do that now.
Most Americans are tax drains. We have a VERY progressive taxation system where nearly all taxes are paid for by the rich.
http://www.urban.org/research/publication/social-security-and-medicare-lifetime-benefits-and-taxes
Page 4 of this report shows how even in 2060, an "average" single male will pay $600k in taxes, but TAKE OUT $1.1 million dollars in benefits. And note that a MEDIAN single male, which is far more representative of American income due to massive income inequality in the US, would take far more money out of the system than this average male.
And this study doesn't even take into account the huge military and eductional and other public services that are all almost entirely funded by the wealthy.
The majority of Americans are tax drains.
If you were arguing from a Libertarian viewpoint and suggesting that illegal immigrants AND low- and middle-class Americans were tax drains, therefore the entire tax system should be torn down, I'd at least see some consistency and principles coming from you. But you don't seem to care about the hundreds of millions of Americans who are tax drains, just these 11 million illegals. You don't seem to care about how huge numbers of black Americans are tax drains. You're just laser focused on these illegals. What gives?Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comCharliesix posted...just these 11 million illegals. You don't seem to care about how huge numbers of black Americans are tax drains. You're just laser focused on these illegals. What gives?
Because illegals arent supposed to be in the country. That's the relevant difference. Has nothing to do with race. Not a difficult concept to understand. I am opposed to illegal aliens from any country.MAGA.TheHonorableOne posted...Charliesix posted...
why isn't the GOP proposing to reduce the tax drain?
...they do propose cutting social programs and other things and then Dems cry that's racist. So Dems largely want them in the country and then put them on welfare (California offers benefits to illegals including healthcare, education, food stamps, etc.).
Pretty funny trying to pin this on the GOP as not doing enough to cut costs.
If they wanted to reduce the tax drain of illegals, then why not just pass laws that refuse tax benefits to illegals? That's far more humane and pro-free market than taking 600,000 people who grew up in America and deporting them to foreign countries they have no connection to.
And let's be honest here, the GOP is for less taxes than the Democrats, but they still support massive spending on Medicare/Social Security because it gets them votes.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comTheHonorableOne posted...Charliesix posted...
just these 11 million illegals. You don't seem to care about how huge numbers of black Americans are tax drains. You're just laser focused on these illegals. What gives?
Because illegals arent supposed to be in the country. That's the relevant difference. Has nothing to do with race. Not a difficult concept to understand. I am opposed to illegal aliens from any country.
How do you resort to such a simplistic argument, though? Obviously, illegals aren't supposed to be here, per man-made law. And it's man-made law that determines that ANY of us are "supposed to be here". What stops you from working against black Americans, when every reason you've cited for being against illegals is that much more relevant to them?
It's only man-made law, post Civil Rights, that allows people of different races to have sex legally. It was man-made law that prevented non-whites from becoming naturalized citizens for decades. Why do you stop your economic Darwinism ideology when it comes to black Americans, and only apply it to illegals?
By now you've surely realized that many people who are hostile to illegal immigrants for the economic reasons you just mentioned DO continue on and apply it to black Americans as well. For you, citizenship is just an automatic "pass"? Even though citizenship is granted by law which is 100% changeable?Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comCharliesix posted...If they wanted to reduce the tax drain of illegals, then why not just pass laws that refuse tax benefits to illegals?
They should also try to do that. However, that wont work in states like California. So if Democrats have no incentive whatsoever to cooperate and not incentivize illegal aliens by providing them with benefits, we need to deport them and punish them for illegal entrance/staying.MAGA.Charliesix posted...to black Americans, and only apply it to illegals?
Why do you keep trying to make this about black people? Illegal is a status not a race. If this were about race, you would have a point if I cared only about hispanic/latino illegal aliens. But its not, so you dont have a point.MAGA.TheHonorableOne posted...Charliesix posted...
If they wanted to reduce the tax drain of illegals, then why not just pass laws that refuse tax benefits to illegals?
They should also try to do that. However, that wont work in states like California. So if Democrats have no incentive whatsoever to cooperate and not incentivize illegal aliens by providing them with benefits, we need to deport them and punish them for illegal entrance/staying.
What won't work in California? Reducing the tax burden of illegals on the Californian system? Those benefits are paid for by the Democrat-controlled government and given to illegals, who most Democrats sympathize with. I see no reason to stop those benefits from being met out by the Democrat majority of California.
As for the Federal benefits that go to illegals, the Federal government is controlled by the Republican party, ICE and DHS are controlled by the Republican party. The government of California has no power to stop the Feds from doing whatever they want here. If the GOP was serious about the tax burdens that illegals present, the GOP sure has a funny way of showing it. It is overwhelmingly instead talking about crime and "job stealing" instead.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comTheHonorableOne posted...Charliesix posted...
to black Americans, and only apply it to illegals?
Why do you keep trying to make this about black people? Illegal is a status not a race. If this were about race, you would have a point if I cared only about hispanic/latino illegal aliens. But its not, so you dont have a point.
Because black people are a demographic that, by your logic, should be attacked for their economic burden. If you'd like, we can drop the race stuff and just talk about some generic mass of "low-income American citizens"Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comHeh, I find it funny that you become race-blind when it suits you, but really race-concious at other times. Convenient!Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comCharliesix posted...Because black people are a demographic that, by your logic
No, my logic here is about people who arent entitled to even be in this country. You are changing my logic and then building an argument around that.
I dont support any policies based on race. That includes affirmative action.MAGA.Cool.
Again, "entitled to be in this country" is completely determined by law. When something is "so" in politics, it's because it was decided to be "so".
Saying illegals who grew up in America should be deported to a foreign country to is a valid thing to do because the "law says so" is absurd when you're actively trying to maintain that law.
Tomorrow, we could all get together and say that any American which is a tax burden should be removed of US citizenship. That would be completely possible to do. So it's obviously completely possible to make sure people who grew up in America should not be deported.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comHere's what I'm asking you to do. Be consistent. Be coherent. Your economic "tax drain" argument isn't consistently applied. You've offered no reprieve to DREAMers who are NOT tax drains. There are DREAMers who have gone to college, who have Master's degrees, who run businesses. You were previously OK with the deportation of Roberto Baristain, the successful steak shop owner whose wife was a Trump supporter. He was NOT a tax drain, but put more money INTO the system than he took out, most likely, and yet your party still deported him, wrecking his family.
And then you inconsistently apply this tax drain argument based on citizenship, when granting citizenship is itself totally determined by policy. You give a free pass to tens of millions of Americans who are much bigger tax drains than most illegal immigrant would be. Why stop there?Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comI cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.REFUGEES WELCOME!
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/408-ShroomKingJr posted...I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
So, just a reminder, state universities get a mixture of Federal and state funds. The state of California is very pro-Democrat and so it favored illegal immigrants with the university stuff you're talking about.
You, as a right-winger, appear to feel some kind of ownership over the California public college system. That's not how things work. If you want to argue that your Federal tax dollars subsidize these illegals in California school systems, I'd then ask how much in Federal taxes do you even pay?Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comThrillKillFan posted...alysbrangwin posted...
so you think that the 14th amendment to the Constitution needs to be repealed? wow, you're a damn fine racist specimen.
The 14th amendment was created so the children of slaves freed after the Civil War would be citizens. The last time I checked these folks are coming here of their own free will. We don't owe them ANYTHING. So the sooner this loophole is closed the better. Because once the children are born here in this country the pansy liberals don't want to break up a family, so they all get a free pass then.
But I suppose folks would rather we have another situation like Typhoid Mary pop up where somebody with a communicable disease causes a pandemic in this country again. There's a reason why we used to filter immigrants through Ellis Island.
yep, you're a bloody nutcase. the 14th amendment continues to protect racial minorities in this country, not just "illegal immigrants" that you so hate and probably know nothing about anyway. if you think that repealing it wouldn't be the first step on the road to states using their beloved "states' rights" to withhold citizenship from Americans, you're delusional. you also don't know anything about Typhoid Mary, who was a carrier of typhoid but didn't actually "cause an epidemic" by arriving and infecting everyone she ever met. and we used to "filtter immigrants through Ellis Island" because they'd arrive on the East Coast in ships after crossing the Atlantic Ocean. did you hear that nowadays you can just fly anywhere or drive a car to where you want to go?Sevillista hasta la muerte
Nevertheless, she persisted.ShroomKingJr posted...I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
Yeah but according to you (((those people))) control all the banks, schools, and media, so why should we take what you say seriously?ShroomKingJr posted...I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
That is true. It's gotten this way because previous administrations let it happen and forced the country to the point where protections like DACA has to be made because enforcing the law is evil.
Brainwash.Avatars are frauds and bullies. The universe is a hologram. Buy gold, buy.ShroomKingJr posted...I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
The kicker: they pay in-state tuition rates. We actually reward these criminals with more money and benefits than we do our own citizens. That's how ridiculously biased and leftist these institutions are.MAGA.chaos knight posted...If you aren't white, you aren't welcome in Trump's America.
Also, this piece of s*** is really loving the cover that a Category 4 hurricane is giving him right now to do all sorts of heinous acts. Whatever it takes to get a President Pence needs to happen as soon as possible.
So you wanna go from bad to worse? No, we shouldn't add gays to the list of people getting their rights removedTheHonorableOne posted...ShroomKingJr posted...
I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
The kicker: they pay in-state tuition rates. We actually reward these criminals with more money and benefits than we do our own citizens. That's how ridiculously biased and leftist these institutions are.
Politicians allowed it go on for so long that it's now a norm with benefits and protections, when this would be considered ridiculous in the past.Avatars are frauds and bullies. The universe is a hologram. Buy gold, buy.ArabrockermanX posted...AndreLeGeant posted...
dont forget that birthright citizenship could easily go, too. It's tenuous from a constitutional view.
Anyway they broke the law whether they meant to or not. The compromise GOP would maybe agree to is mandatory military service for citizenship.
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."
There's nothing "tenuous" about it, all persons born in the US are US citizens until someone amends the Constitution again.
Unless they want to argue Hispanics aren't people, I could see them doing that.
"subject to the jurisdiction thereof" is the key language. It's pretty clear from statements at the time that if someone is an alien and has a child in the US, that child isn't "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States as a sovereign, but to the jurisdiction of the parents' home country. Now, you can of course change that statutorily, and we have. But the Constitution is not a strong protection for birthright citizenship.I don't drink. I don't smoke. I don't do drugs. I am your sXe hero.
They should build a mosque in mecca. Right next to the dome of the rock. -- Lord SideousDarklit_Minuet posted...chaos knight posted...
If you aren't white, you aren't welcome in Trump's America.
Also, this piece of s*** is really loving the cover that a Category 4 hurricane is giving him right now to do all sorts of heinous acts. Whatever it takes to get a President Pence needs to happen as soon as possible.
So you wanna go from bad to worse? No, we shouldn't add gays to the list of people getting their rights removed
As if they aren't already on that list under Trump.A bad enough dude to save the President.
"We chose more government instead of more freedom." - Marco Rubio (R-Florida) on the Bush administrationMost of the DACA kids are more American than Trump is. He's completely out of touch with most Americans and how they live.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- KerbeyTheir home countries could use then more than we can.
The reason many of their parents came to the US is because of Mexico, Central America, and parts of South America being wrecked by US policy. Then the US steals their best and brightest for themselves for "muh optimized Keynesian economy" and leaves those countries to rot.
The neoliberal protection of "illegal immigration" is just part of a cycle of imperialism and exploitation of the resources of poor countries. Stealing their minerals in the 1700s has turned into stealing their doctors and engineers in the 2010s.
Charliesix posted...My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
You might tell your friend about this:
https://www.uscis.gov/greencard
You know, actual problem solving rather than fearmongering.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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This is their home country. That's the point.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- KerbeyCharliesix posted...My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
-> spend 10 years in medical school
-> run the risk of ruining your life marrying someone who couldn't be bothered to get proper immigration papers
And that woman's name? Albert EinsteinREFUGEES WELCOME!
https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/408-divot1338 posted...infinitys_7th posted...
This is their home country. That's the point.
Obviously not, if they were brought here as children.
I'd rather address the "why" of them being here than put in place policies to continue to exploit their home countries.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
This is their home country. That's the point.
Obviously not, if they were brought here as children.
I'd rather address the "why" of them being here than put in place policies to continue to exploit their home countries.
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
And they have been dealt with in bad faith by Republicans for their entire lives.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- Kerbeydivot1338 posted...infinitys_7th posted...
divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
This is their home country. That's the point.
Obviously not, if they were brought here as children.
I'd rather address the "why" of them being here than put in place policies to continue to exploit their home countries.
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
And they have been dealt with in bad faith by Republicans for their entire lives.
Both Republicans and Democrat administrations wrecked their home countries. Try again.
Also, what are the statistics for "ages of entry into the US" of Dreamers? The act applies for anyway up to age 16. You cannot say that they "did not know their home country" if they were brought here in their teens.
Their home country is where they came from. And the DREAM Act is another neoliberal exploitation of those countries.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
This is their home country. That's the point.
Obviously not, if they were brought here as children.
I'd rather address the "why" of them being here than put in place policies to continue to exploit their home countries.
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
And they have been dealt with in bad faith by Republicans for their entire lives.
Both Republicans and Democrat administrations wrecked their home countries. Try again.
This is their home country.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- Kerbeydivot1338 posted...infinitys_7th posted...
divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
divot1338 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
This is their home country. That's the point.
Obviously not, if they were brought here as children.
I'd rather address the "why" of them being here than put in place policies to continue to exploit their home countries.
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
And they have been dealt with in bad faith by Republicans for their entire lives.
Both Republicans and Democrat administrations wrecked their home countries. Try again.
This is their home country.
Prove it. At what age did most Dreamers enter the US? What is the 50 percentile age?
All you are doing is justifying the theft of intelligent people from poor countries the US made poor.
Let's say the US ended the drug war and cripple the cartels in Mexico, stabilizing it. How can Mexico grow when we incentivize taking those with the ability to improve Mexico out of the country?
The US has 300 million people - we have enough great people in this country. We don't need to maximize 0.01% of the GDP by taking people out of countries that demonstrably need them more.
We would have a far stronger trade relation with them if "the best" stayed there and built up the country again.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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You've been indulged enough for one topic.
Go play in the rain.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- Kerbeydivot1338 posted...@infinitys_7th
You've been indulged enough for one topic.
Go play in the rain.
And you cannot answer a simple question, instead repeating a demonstrable falsehood that "the US is their home country".
Not matter how many times you repeat it (a carefully crafted PR line), you aren't Dorothy. You are just supporting the exploitation of Mexico, CA, and SA.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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TheHonorableOne posted...divot1338 posted...
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
...except for the countries they came from. surprise, they werent born here.
I really want to see what age 50% of the Dreamers were above when they came to the US.
I am guessing 11 or 12. Meaning they were mostly raised in their home countries.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)alysbrangwin posted...yep, you're a bloody nutcase. the 14th amendment continues to protect racial minorities in this country, not just "illegal immigrants" that you so hate and probably know nothing about anyway.
There's enough organizations who would step up to protect these "minorities" even if the law were repealed.if you think that repealing it wouldn't be the first step on the road to states using their beloved "states' rights" to withhold citizenship from Americans, you're delusional.
I only care about those people in our country illegally. If your family has been here for generations and immigrated here legally then that's all that matters.you also don't know anything about Typhoid Mary, who was a carrier of typhoid but didn't actually "cause an epidemic" by arriving and infecting everyone she ever met.
I didn't say epidemic, I said PANdemic. Either way I was wrong in my usage of that word. However she DID cause sickness everywhere she worked.and we used to "filtter immigrants through Ellis Island" because they'd arrive on the East Coast in ships after crossing the Atlantic Ocean. did you hear that nowadays you can just fly anywhere or drive a car to where you want to go?
But again though, those people were immigrating here LEGALLY and we checked them before allowing them into our country. These people nowadays are INVADERS who come here with no screenings. So we have no way of knowing what they may have until we catch them.Internet forum logic: When my opinion agrees with yours we're good. When it doesn't, the one with the different opinion is 'whining'. Gotta love the internet!infinitys_7th posted...I really want to see what age 50% of the Dreamers were above when they came to the US.
Even if they came here when they were 1, they should be subject to deportation. otherwise, we reward their parents' criminal behavior.
Also, let's stop calling them dreamers. we are giving these criminals too much credit. they are nightmares for the american taxpayer.MAGA.infinitys_7th posted...TheHonorableOne posted...
divot1338 posted...
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
...except for the countries they came from. surprise, they werent born here.
I really want to see what age 50% of the Dreamers were above when they came to the US.
I am guessing 11 or 12. Meaning they were mostly raised in their home countries.
So you're stating that you don't know but you can emphatically say you know for sure.
This is why I said I've indulged you enough btw.Moustache twirling villian
http://i.imgur.com/uV2Wf1H.jpg- KerbeyTheHonorableOne posted...infinitys_7th posted...
I really want to see what age 50% of the Dreamers were above when they came to the US.
Even if they came here when they were 1, they should be subject to deportation. otherwise, we reward their parents' criminal behavior.
Also, let's stop calling them dreamers. we are giving these criminals too much credit. they are nightmares for the american taxpayer.
I'm just using their terminology.
The irony of DACA is that is supports imperialistic looting of the human resources of poor countries, making them poorer and making more people leave (while the CIA and drug war and other US policies wreck them further)
Neo-liberals are basically acting like 1700s-era trading companies because "muh optimized economy".[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...Neo-liberals are basically acting like 1700s-era trading companies because "muh optimized economy".
Illegal aliens have helped destroy inner cities and lowered the standard of living for inner city residents who are mostly black. More crime, more crowded public schools, less welfare to spread around, wage stagnation, etc.
Dems realized they have the black vote locked up and dont have to actually do anything for them, and see hispanics are a bigger voting block than blacks.MAGA.divot1338 posted...infinitys_7th posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
divot1338 posted...
This is the only home any of them have ever known.
...except for the countries they came from. surprise, they werent born here.
I really want to see what age 50% of the Dreamers were above when they came to the US.
I am guessing 11 or 12. Meaning they were mostly raised in their home countries.
So you're stating that you don't know but you can emphatically say you know for sure.
This is why I said I've indulged you enough btw.
I said I am guessing. You know, the opposite of emphatic, but then postmodernist liberals are not known for understanding simple dichomoties.
I've looked for those statistics before, but most research into Dreamers is about racial (or gender) demographics. You seem emphatic that "the US is their home country", so I figured you had a stat to back that up.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...Their home countries could use then more than we can.
The reason many of their parents came to the US is because of Mexico, Central America, and parts of South America being wrecked by US policy. Then the US steals their best and brightest for themselves for "muh optimized Keynesian economy" and leaves those countries to rot.
The neoliberal protection of "illegal immigration" is just part of a cycle of imperialism and exploitation of the resources of poor countries. Stealing their minerals in the 1700s has turned into stealing their doctors and engineers in the 2010s.
Charliesix posted...My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
You might tell your friend about this:
https://www.uscis.gov/greencard
You know, actual problem solving rather than fearmongering.
Mexico does not lack human resources. Moving to Mexico without a plan or any connections can be a disaster. The Mex government would not assist in getting them established. Speaking broken spanish wouldn't help either.
Also, the fact that you think anyone would "willingly" NOT get a greencard......WOW.blood_and_bones posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Their home countries could use then more than we can.
The reason many of their parents came to the US is because of Mexico, Central America, and parts of South America being wrecked by US policy. Then the US steals their best and brightest for themselves for "muh optimized Keynesian economy" and leaves those countries to rot.
The neoliberal protection of "illegal immigration" is just part of a cycle of imperialism and exploitation of the resources of poor countries. Stealing their minerals in the 1700s has turned into stealing their doctors and engineers in the 2010s.
Charliesix posted...My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
You might tell your friend about this:
https://www.uscis.gov/greencard
You know, actual problem solving rather than fearmongering.
Mexico does not lack human resources. Moving to Mexico without a plan or any connections can be a disaster. The Mex government would not assist in getting them established. Speaking broken spanish wouldn't help either.
Also, the fact that you think anyone would "willingly" NOT get a greencard......WOW.
Mexico is a narcostate bordering on being a third world country. They need all the help they can get with how much the US has screwed up their government.
The US can't keep looting these countries and expect them to ever grow and improve.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Lord_of_BeefDip posted...TheHonorableOne posted...
Lord_of_BeefDip posted...
yet seemed apathetic about the lead crisis in East Chicago,
Democrats are apathetic about Chicago. Please dont try to spin this about Pence.
Then don't bring up something unrelated to deflect.
Thats literally the only thing TheDerpyOne knows how to do. He has 0 actual views aside from Donnie good, dems bad and he has 0 ubderstanding of... anything.Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.infinitys_7th posted...blood_and_bones posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
Their home countries could use then more than we can.
The reason many of their parents came to the US is because of Mexico, Central America, and parts of South America being wrecked by US policy. Then the US steals their best and brightest for themselves for "muh optimized Keynesian economy" and leaves those countries to rot.
The neoliberal protection of "illegal immigration" is just part of a cycle of imperialism and exploitation of the resources of poor countries. Stealing their minerals in the 1700s has turned into stealing their doctors and engineers in the 2010s.
Charliesix posted...My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
You might tell your friend about this:
https://www.uscis.gov/greencard
You know, actual problem solving rather than fearmongering.
Mexico does not lack human resources. Moving to Mexico without a plan or any connections can be a disaster. The Mex government would not assist in getting them established. Speaking broken spanish wouldn't help either.
Also, the fact that you think anyone would "willingly" NOT get a greencard......WOW.
Mexico is a narcostate bordering on being a third world country. They need all the help they can get with how much the US has screwed up their government.
The US can't keep looting these countries and expect them to ever grow and improve.
And the US is the biggest client of that narco state. Deporting dreamers will not change that. The US didn't loot Mexico of human resources. Those people came here on their own.
Its actually more honest of you to say you don't want illegals here and want them deported, period. Saying that deporting them helps Mexico is NOT an argument in good faith.ShroomKingJr posted...Charliesix posted...
My wife's friend, a woman, is married to a DREAMer. She's a doctor and says if her husband is deported, she'll go to Mexico with him and practice medicine there.
-> spend 10 years in medical school
-> run the risk of ruining your life marrying someone who couldn't be bothered to get proper immigration papers
And that woman's name? Albert Einstein
"bothered to Get proper immigration papers"
You have no idea why DACA exists, do you?
DREAMers CANNOT get proper immigration papers unless they self deport themselves to a foreign country (again, a country they have little to connection with), THEN they have to apply for entrance into the US and pray they get back into their home country: America.
The whole point of DREAM was that it would allow these people to do what you're suggesting, but it was blocked by the Republican Party. This has been the case for the past 16 years since DREAM was introduced.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comAlot of you folks don't understand immigration.
If anywhere in your record it indicates that you entered the country illegally.......that is a non starter for applying for a green card.
Even if you left the US to try to re-enter legally and to apply for a green card...you would not be allowed in (if they know you once entered illegally), let alone would you have a chance to obtain a green card.TheHonorableOne posted...ShroomKingJr posted...
I cant think of any other country that allows illegal aliens to attend their universities. About time the US catches up with the rest of the world.
The kicker: they pay in-state tuition rates. We actually reward these criminals with more money and benefits than we do our own citizens. That's how ridiculously biased and leftist these institutions are.
In-state tuition for DREAMers varies state-by-state. Arizona overturned it just recently. Again, California public schools are paid for by a mix of state and Federal taxes. The teachers of these schools are largely Democrats who sympathize with Dreamers, the voters of California sympathize with them. If you want to argue that the Republican Federal government should not pay for these students, that's fine with me, but arguing that Californians shouldn't be paying taxes for them makes no sense. Democratic decision making has already taken place, your side lost.
And you do realize that going to college is one of the best ways to get a higher paying job and that a high paying job is the best way to pay more INTO the tax system than one takes out, right?
Again, progressive taxation system. Higher income people pay nearly all taxes in America. If you keep people in America with less than a college education, they're more likely to be an even bigger tax drain.
You don't seem to stick to any of your arguments. You oppose illegals for being tax drains, but offer no reprieve to illegals who are not tax drains. You even oppose illegals pursuing education that would make them non-tax drains.Trump's closest adviser hired multiple white supremacists to write for Breitbart News. Evidence: http://www.breitbarttruth.comblood_and_bones posted...Alot of you folks don't understand immigration.
If anywhere in your record it indicates that you entered the country illegally.......that is a non starter for applying for a green card.
Even if you left the US to try to re-enter legally and to apply for a green card...you would not be allowed in (if they know you once entered illegally), let alone would you have a chance to obtain a green card.
Seems easier to change that than pursuing the DREAMER Act.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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