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- Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism
Pretty surprised, tbh. Even if it was just a political stunt, good on her for having more balls than her father
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CrimsonRage posted...
Tons of politicians, from the left and the right, and Trump family members have condemned Neo Nazis and white supremacists. He knows they're his voters
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Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude?
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CrimsonRage posted...
Tons of politicians, from the left and the right, and Trump family members have condemned Neo Nazis and white supremacists. "If they say great things about me, I'm gonna say great things about them."
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BLAKUboy posted...
CrimsonRage posted...Tons of politicians, from the left and the right, and Trump family members have condemned Neo Nazis and white supremacists. I read that in Trumps voice lmfao |
Antifar posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude? Then why are we surprised? |
YourAlt posted...
Trump won't condemn them unless they insult him first, lol. This
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The Admiral posted...
"Yeah, but still..." Have something you want to say Admiral? So far, nobody has condemned the Republicans who have decided to condemn the Neo Nazi's, just the ones like Trump who refuse to do so. |
Blue_Dream87 posted...
Antifar posted...Blue_Dream87 posted...Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude? Because she's Trumps daughter and is heavily involved in his administration.....? |
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." Yeah, the whole "say what I want you to say or else you're silently supporting these white supremacists." Amazing that the same people saying this would immediately start crying if you asked them to do same of Muslims for terrorism or black people for gang violence.
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The Admiral posted...
"Yeah, but still..." "Just because you think Nazis are evil" -Admiral, 2017. |
Samurontai posted...
Blue_Dream87 posted...Antifar posted...Blue_Dream87 posted...Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude? But she's not Trump. She has more reason to condemn this rally than Trump since it directly attacks her and her husband. Trump just wants to keep his voters, and they're so stupid that they already handwaved Ivanka. |
RebelElite791 posted...
The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." "The only way I can ever have a gotcha moment is reposting half a sentence of yours without ever providing the context of the comment." Stay a joke user, Rebel.
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The Admiral posted...
Samurontai posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." Here's the major difference there All Neo-Nazis have hateful beliefs. It's right there in the name
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The Admiral posted...
RebelElite791 posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." The context was you saying Nazis were socialists, someone said they weren't, you said "just because you think they're evil and this history upsets you" |
The Admiral posted...
Samurontai posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." But you want people to speak out about Muslims and black people. You even do it yourself. Why are you cool with the President losing his balls when a white supremacy terror attack happens? |
The Admiral posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...All Neo-Nazis have hateful beliefs. It's right there in the name I was just using it in the context of your argument. You said that the people asking for Trump to call out neo nazi's are the same ones who would complain about Muslims or black people being called out. I was pointing out your false equivalency.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...
Samurontai posted...Blue_Dream87 posted...Antifar posted...Blue_Dream87 posted...Isn't she Jewish or married a Jewish dude? Okay....? She's supported him on literally everything else though, so I don't get the point you're trying to make here |
It's not exactly hard to believe that Ivanka wouldn't want to publicly go against her father, even on something like this.
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Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." Not surprised Admiral defends Trump. Even when increasingly more GOP politicians are pressuring him to. I guess his loyalty is more to Trump than the GOP itself. How's that for a Trumpanzee.
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ChainedRedone posted...
Samurontai posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." Attacking ignorant and hypocritical people on the left does not magically translate into a defense of Trump. I wish some of you guys had even remedial reading comprehension abilities.
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Hey look, he didn't even say the word liberal this time
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The Admiral posted...
ChainedRedone posted...Samurontai posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump?
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ChainedRedone posted...
What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump? I wouldn't be surprised if he did disavow neo-Nazis considering how many time he's disavowed David Duke and the KKK in the past. And of course the whole "Hate Groups are not for me" quote from Face the Nation.
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The Admiral posted...Samurontai posted...The Admiral posted..."Yeah, but still..." @The_Admiral |
AssultTank posted...
ChainedRedone posted...What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump? Is this satire?
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ChainedRedone posted...
AssultTank posted...ChainedRedone posted...What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump? He has to stick up for his old mod buddies.
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ChainedRedone posted...AssultTank posted...ChainedRedone posted...What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump? But Trump got s*** for refusing to condemn David Duke. It was a big thing on the news. So I don't know. I thought maybe it was satire.
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ChainedRedone posted...
AssultTank posted...ChainedRedone posted...What's hypocritical about expecting Trump to denounce neo Nazis? Or is the GOP hypocritical too? Are you going to backstab your party for the glory of Emperor Trump? I mean here is the CNN link where he disavowed David Duke... http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/03/politics/donald-trump-disavows-david-duke-kkk/index.html And here is that Face the Nation quote I was talking about. ChainedRedone posted... But Trump got s*** for refusing to condemn David Duke. It was a big thing on the news. So I don't know. I thought maybe it was satire. Yeah, welcome to the media lying to you.
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Holy s*** do you believe everything that orange fat f*** says?
http://time.com/4240268/donald-trump-kkk-david-duke/ He literally says he doesn't know anything about David Duke. The next week claims he's denounced him many times. Are you that gullible? Jfc. Before you accuse the media of lying maybe you should consider that Trump might be the one lying to you. Yeah one week he doesn't know anything about David Duke, the next week he knows all about him and has "denounced him over the years". Give me a f***ing break.
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And two days before that, during a press conference with Chris Christie, he denounced the endorsement from David Duke.
The next day in an interview on NBC, he claims that it was a bad earpiece and didn't hear the name properly. Based on his comments two days before, I'm willing to believe it's possible. I don't know. Maybe he misspoke, maybe he's just a moron and didn't remember who David Duke was.
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It makes political sense for him not too
Sure liberals online are jumping up and down about it right now but in a week they won't care. Meanwhile if he does directly address it, that just draws attention to it and causes him to give legitimatcey to the age old "Conservatives are just nazis!" rhetoric. Its kinda like how Richard Dawkins refuses to have debates about intelligent design, because the moment he does so, no matter how the debate goes it has legitimatized Intelligent Design by making it something debating scientifically. Trump denoucing Nazis won't benefit him at all and will just make the naysayers louder, meanwhile in a week the same naysayers will move on to the next thing to be mad about
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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The Admiral posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...All Neo-Nazis have hateful beliefs. It's right there in the name Why are everyday muslims expected to speak out on Islamic terrorism? Why are non criminal black people expected to speak out on inner city violence?
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CrimsonRage posted...
Tons of politicians, from the left and the right, and Trump family members have condemned Neo Nazis and white supremacists. Hiring Bannon and his love for Steve Miller and Alex Jones should answer your question |
UnfairRepresent posted...
Trump denoucing Nazis won't benefit him at all and will just make the naysayers louder, meanwhile in a week the same naysayers will move on to the next thing to be mad about Should presidents respond to incidents like this through cold political calculus, or should they speak from a moral position?
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Sure liberals online are jumping up and down You very well know it isn't just them.
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Maybe he misspoke, maybe he's just a moron and didn't remember who David Duke was. I'm inclined to think he's a moron and misspoke.
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FrisbeeDude posted...
Because Islam is a religion and violence from it's followers is global. It makes sense that peaceful Muslims should be the loudest voice in shutting down the violence. Yet in reality it tends to be white atheist voices that do so. Which is absurd on so many levels. Comparing an American political party to a global growing religion is a little absurd. I don't think you shoud discourage religious people from criticising their religion and curbing extremism, I feel you should do literally the opposite of that
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...Trump denoucing Nazis won't benefit him at all and will just make the naysayers louder, meanwhile in a week the same naysayers will move on to the next thing to be mad about Look at Jimmy the absolute political failure Carter to see what taking the moral position results in when you're the president. Look at a history book, the greatest presidents of all time are complete asses, liars, crooks and hypocrites. You think Lincoln, McKinley and JFK were assassinated because they were such nice people that their niceness drove people to breaking point?
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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- Ivanka actually condemned white supremacy and Neo Nazis, and racism
I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views (the way many current politicians are) given these circumstances. And in many cases, they'd be doing so through gritted teeth, or outright lying. But Trump's inability to bring himself to condemn it is nothing but cowardice, and I don't think it will pay off as a political decision either, given the reaction from many conservatives.
George W. Bush was a monster. But he also understood that as president he had a responsibility to offer moral clarity in times of turmoil. Obama praised the police following the shooting in Dallas (and many other times besides).
After a conflict between Neo-Nazis who killed a woman, and those who oppose them, Trump has sided with neither.kin to all that throbsThe Admiral posted..."The only way I can ever have a gotcha moment is reposting half a sentence of yours without ever providing the context of the comment."
I'll post the whole thing since it was me you were addressing with that asinine point
The Admiral posted...Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.
I stand corrected, Ronald Reagan once said Nazi soldiers were victims every bit as much as Holocaust victims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitburg_controversykin to all that throbsThe Great Muta 22 posted...The Admiral posted...
"The only way I can ever have a gotcha moment is reposting half a sentence of yours without ever providing the context of the comment."
I'll post the whole thing since it was me you were addressing with that asinine point
The Admiral posted...Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.
I'm still trying to figure out how the German state owned the means of production. Krupp, IG Farben, Messerschmitt were pretty much all privately owned (along with damn near every other major manufacturing company in the Reich). Just because they manufactured military goods for the government doesn't mean they were state owned. Or do you consider Boeing a state owned company because they build military planes for the government?"If you wish to converse with me define your terms"
VoltaireAntifar posted...I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views
What are you on about? Obama was railroaded for 8 years straight for NOT denoucing Islamic violence or BLM violence.
Bush was ridden mercilessly for being dismissive of violence and suffering of black people.
This is a repeating pattern. If you respond you give credance to the question no matter how you answer.
Like if I asked you "Hey Antifar why did you have anal and oral sex with that 510 pound hairy man!?" if you answer anything at all publially, the question has become legitimate. If ignored, it goes away within a week.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgUnfairRepresent posted...Antifar posted...
I think our past presidents would not have hesitated to denounce these views
What are you on about? Obama was railroaded for 8 years straight for NOT denoucing Islamic violence or BLM violence.
Bush was ridden mercilessly for being dismissive of violence and suffering of black people.
This is a repeating pattern. If you respond you give credance to the question no matter how you answer.
Like if I asked you "Hey Antifar why did you have anal and oral sex with that 510 pound hairy man!?" if you answer anything at all publially, the question has become legitimate. If ignored, it goes away within a week.
Well not all Muslims or black people have the same views and mindset.
Neo-Nazis are by definition full of hate and spiteful views. There's a pretty large difference there.even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinUnfair stop being a contrarian for once in your life.
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Well not all Muslims or black people have the same views and mindset.
Ah so when other presidents take the pratical dishonest approach over morality, it's fine.
But when Trump takes the pratical dishonest approach over morality, we have to pretend it's a new thing and lie about the past until called on it.
That makes perfect senseNeo-Nazis are by definition full of hate and spiteful views. There's a pretty large difference there.
IF you say so.
Personally I don't think "It's okay to accept violence if you think another group is less violent!" is much of a defense of anything.
If my family ran around commiting murders I wouldn't buy "Well Charles Manson was worse" as an acceptable justification for not trying to stop and decry them.
Samurontai posted...Unfair stop being a contrarian for once in your life.
What have I said in this topic that goes against popular opinion?
Oh I see, this is the "Someone smarter than me made me think and I hate that!" defintion of Contarian.
Carry on.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgThe Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.
Christ. Does he not actually know that Nazi Germany had a free-market economy? The USA is literally a socialist country by these standards.It's just that bird law in this country-- it's not governed by reason
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The Admiral posted...Nazi Germany had state-owned means of production and provided fully-socialized services to its citizens. It was literally a socialist country. The fact that you think they're evil and this reality hurts your feelings doesn't change that.
Christ. Does he not actually know that Nazi Germany had a free-market economy? The USA is literally a socialist country by these standards.
Your first mistake was responding to The Admiral.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgSolar_Crimson posted...hockeybub89 posted...
The Admiral posted...
Samurontai posted...
The Admiral posted...
"Yeah, but still..."
Have something you want to say Admiral?
So far, nobody has condemned the Republicans who have decided to condemn the Neo Nazi's, just the ones like Trump who refuse to do so.
Yeah, the whole "say what I want you to say or else you're silently supporting these white supremacists."
Amazing that the same people saying this would immediately start crying if you asked them to do same of Muslims for terrorism or black people for gang violence.
But you want people to speak out about Muslims and black people. You even do it yourself. Why are you cool with the President losing his balls when a white supremacy terror attack happens?
@The_Admiral
In your fantasy land, maybe. I don't think black people or black political leaders have any obligation to speak out against or apologize for the absurd amount of homicides committed by black gang members. I do, however, criticize activist groups like BLM for completely ignoring that some of the issues black people have with police are directly related to the disproportionate crime statistics of that group, however.
Muslims are different from these racial groups in that they share a collective ideology that the terrorists use to justify terror attacks. I do think they need to distance themselves from atrocities done in the name of their religion and not allow radicals in their communities to go unreported.
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