Musa- posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
I like how none (or none really) of the 'progressives' have a problem with them being referred to as 'little white' girls or someone stealing their stuff.
Of course, these same progressives are the first to scream Black Lives matter and cry about unfair treatment based on skin color over every perceived injustice.
Those hats are a disgrace to America. That person is doing God's work by removing them
Learn some tolerance. What's a disgrace is subjective, there are probably groups that find your political leanings repugnant.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
George Orwell
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IngSmasher0 posted...
I think your conflating liberalism with the left. Those on the left that believe in tolerance, free speech, non violence are liberals. Those who engage in censorship, violence or other bullying tactics, are not liberals.
Exactly. There are plenty of free market oriented and tolerant Democratic voters. Of course, these people are normal and dont need to go out in the streets with masks to throw urine at people or stab horses in the neck while getting cheered on from armchair leftists.
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Those hats are just plain ugly. Good on the university keeping those eyesores out of its campus
3DS + X1
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Once again I ask, is there a source other than Donald Trump propaganda redditors?
The_Donald is less credible than even Breitbart.
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Gay dudes wearing black leather chaps and glitter dancing around in the street is fine. But wear a red hat.... ooh you're in trouble now.
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Musa- posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
I like how none (or none really) of the 'progressives' have a problem with them being referred to as 'little white' girls or someone stealing their stuff.
Of course, these same progressives are the first to scream Black Lives matter and cry about unfair treatment based on skin color over every perceived injustice.
Those hats are a disgrace to America. That person is doing God's work by removing them
I thought liberals were against censorship.
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Kradek posted...
Once again I ask, is there a source other than Donald Trump propaganda redditors?
The_Donald is less credible than even Breitbart.
The girls lied. They knew they were going to Howard and were even told by their tour guides and other students on the trip to take the f***ing hats off before going there.
"Going to the Grand Canyon" is how Limbaugh's doctor refers to giving Limbaugh a colonoscopy-Kavatar
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Queen_of_Lazy89 posted...
Kradek posted...
Once again I ask, is there a source other than Donald Trump propaganda redditors?
The_Donald is less credible than even Breitbart.
The girls lied. They knew they were going to Howard and were even told by their tour guides and other students on the trip to take the f***ing hats off before going there.
They don't have a right to do that because of the First Amendment.
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it is stupid that people are offended over a hat that doesn't say anything offensive. trump is a giant turd but this doesnt help the snowflake college stereotype
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Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums. If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
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WalterBlue posted...
Jesus Christ, liberals. Keep acting like enormous hypocrites. And then blame everyone but yourselves when Trump wins again in 2020.
dude he's not going to make it to 2020, he's already making enemies out of the republican senators. They don't have to wait until the russia investigation is over. There is more than enough evidence to impeach on the 25th amendment and they'll do it in a heart beat if they think he'll try to primary them.
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TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
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Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Organized campus visit, so invited guests.
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Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
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600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
Or maybe they were just proud of supporting their president and didn't think it would be controversial. You have no right to tell someone to take off a hat, it's like saying no gays.
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TorchOfLiberty posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
Or maybe they were just proud of supporting their president and didn't think it would be controversial. You have no right to tell someone to take off a hat, it's like saying no gays.
Err no, their tour guides and even other students on the field trip told them that the hats would be offensive. The girls played dumb and then played victim when it blew up in their faces. But of course Derpfoot, you're siding with the a******s here and listening to The_Donald rather than the truth.
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Scorpion122178 posted...
WalterBlue posted...
Jesus Christ, liberals. Keep acting like enormous hypocrites. And then blame everyone but yourselves when Trump wins again in 2020.
dude he's not going to make it to 2020, he's already making enemies out of the republican senators. They don't have to wait until the russia investigation is over. There is more than enough evidence to impeach on the 25th amendment and they'll do it in a heart beat if they think he'll try to primary them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXUlhT3-r0c&t=12s
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TorchOfLiberty posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
Or maybe they were just proud of supporting their president and didn't think it would be controversial. You have no right to tell someone to take off a hat, it's like saying no gays.
Trump supporters aren't a protected group.
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Dave_Gahan posted...
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600k posted...
TorchOfLiberty posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
Or maybe they were just proud of supporting their president and didn't think it would be controversial. You have no right to tell someone to take off a hat, it's like saying no gays.
Trump supporters aren't a protected group.
Free speech is though, regardless of the politics.
"If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear."
George Orwell
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600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
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rabakill posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
The fact that they were told the hats would cause problems and they wore them anyway. They knew it was going to cause trouble before hand they planed it.
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rabakill posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
Based on wearing hats showing support of a well-known racist while touring a black college or university (HBCU) with a principal mission of serving and educating the black community.
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600k posted...
rabakill posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
Based on wearing hats showing support of a well-known racist while touring a black college or university (HBCU) with a principal mission of serving and educating the black community.
wrecked!
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Queen_of_Lazy89 posted...
TorchOfLiberty posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll and then playing the victim after Howard University students and staff didn't want them dicking around. Also Howard is private.
Or maybe they were just proud of supporting their president and didn't think it would be controversial. You have no right to tell someone to take off a hat, it's like saying no gays.
Err no, their tour guides and even other students on the field trip told them that the hats would be offensive. The girls played dumb and then played victim when it blew up in their faces. But of course Derpfoot, you're siding with the a******s here and listening to The_Donald rather than the truth.
Even if they were aware of the reaction they were likely to receive, proceeded to do so anyway, in spite of/because of a negative reaction. That's not really the point, we should be able to face people with whom we disagree even vehemently so, without resorting to censorship, intimidation, or other applications of force. Even assuming their claimed motives are false, if those students really were forced to leave due to their pro trump attire, it proves that college is only paying lip service to the pricipal of free speech, and is fostering an environment of intolerance and ideological homogeny.
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600k posted...
Trump supporters aren't a protected group.
Viewpoint-discrimination protection does not require the speaker to be part of a protected class. This is different constitutional protection. If there were any political clubs on campus, or if anyone else wore any political clothing, discrimination is improper based on viewpoint. https://www.aaup.org/academic-freedom-students-and-professors-and-political-discrimination
See also Healy v. James , 408 U.S. at 181-82, where the administration denied recognition to a student group on the grounds that the group’s philosophy was antithetical to the college’s commitment to academic freedom on campus. The Court overturned the denial of recognition, believing instead that affirming students’ right to freedom of association was “reaffirming . . . academic freedom.” 408 U.S. 169, 181-82 (1972). The Court reasoned: “[T]he precedents of this Court leave no room for the view that, because of the acknowledged need for order, First Amendment protections should apply with less force [to students] on college campuses than in the community at large. Quite to the contrary, ‘[t]he vigilant protection of constitutional freedoms is nowhere more vital than in the community of American schools.’” [Cites omitted].
More recently, in Rosenberger v. Rector & Visitors of the University of Virginia , the Court spoke more directly to the legal concept of student academic freedom as related to, but separate from, the First Amendment right of free expression. 515 U.S. 819, 835-36 (1995). The Court ruled that a university’s refusal to provide student activity fees to a Christian student organization to publish its magazine constituted viewpoint discrimination that violated the students’ First Amendment rights. In so ruling, the Court emphasized the distinctive application of the First Amendment for students in the academic context, noting that “[t]he quality and creative power of student intellectual life to this day remains a vital measure of a school’s influence and attainment. For the University, by regulation, to cast disapproval on particular viewpoints of its students risks the suppression of free speech and creative inquiry in one of the vital centers for the Nation’s intellectual life, its college and university campuses.”
Howard appears to receive federal funding: https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget17/justifications/s-howard.pdfYes, the girls in questions arent students. But that doesnt mean they dont enjoy viewpoint protection. I am positive the school invites political speakers who arent students. Howard screwed up and in addition, is full of pathetic snowflakes who probably cry about racism in every aspect of life.
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TheHonorableOne posted...
600k posted...
Trump supporters aren't a protected group.
Viewpoint-discrimination protection does not require the speaker to be part of a protected class. This is different constitutional protection. If there were any political clubs on campus, or if anyone else wore any political clothing, discrimination is improper based on viewpoint.
https://www.aaup.org/academic-freedom-students-and-professors-and-political-discrimination
See also Healy v. James , 408 U.S. at 181-82, where the administration denied recognition to a student group on the grounds that the group’s philosophy was antithetical to the college’s commitment to academic freedom on campus. The Court overturned the denial of recognition, believing instead that affirming students’ right to freedom of association was “reaffirming . . . academic freedom.” 408 U.S. 169, 181-82 (1972). The Court reasoned: “[T]he precedents of this Court leave no room for the view that, because of the acknowledged need for order, First Amendment protections should apply with less force [to students] on college campuses than in the community at large. Quite to the contrary, ‘[t]he vigilant protection of constitutional freedoms is nowhere more vital than in the community of American schools.’” [Cites omitted].
More recently, in Rosenberger v. Rector & Visitors of the University of Virginia , the Court spoke more directly to the legal concept of student academic freedom as related to, but separate from, the First Amendment right of free expression. 515 U.S. 819, 835-36 (1995). The Court ruled that a university’s refusal to provide student activity fees to a Christian student organization to publish its magazine constituted viewpoint discrimination that violated the students’ First Amendment rights. In so ruling, the Court emphasized the distinctive application of the First Amendment for students in the academic context, noting that “[t]he quality and creative power of student intellectual life to this day remains a vital measure of a school’s influence and attainment. For the University, by regulation, to cast disapproval on particular viewpoints of its students risks the suppression of free speech and creative inquiry in one of the vital centers for the Nation’s intellectual life, its college and university campuses.”
Howard appears to receive federal funding:
https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/budget/budget17/justifications/s-howard.pdf
Yes, the girls in questions arent students. But that doesnt mean they dont enjoy viewpoint protection. I am positive the school invites political speakers who arent students. Howard screwed up and in addition, is full of pathetic snowflakes who probably cry about racism in every aspect of life.
None of which applies to non-students Do you have more copy pasta?
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
None of which applies to non-students
This is a stupid distinction because universities cannot engage in viewpoint discrimination by inviting some non-student speakers and not others based solely on their viewpoints. Even Obama isnt as far left, pathetic and pro-censorship as many of you: http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/279117-obama-discourages-political-protests-at-commencement-speech
There's been a trend around the country of trying to get colleges to disinvite speakers with a different point of view or disrupt a political rally," Obama said at his commencement addresses at Howard University.
"Don't do that, no matter how ridiculous or offensive you might find the things that come out of their mouths," the president said. "Because as my grandmother used to tell me, every time a fool speaks, they are just advertising their own ignorance. Let them talk.
"Listen, engage, if the other side has a point, learn from them. If they're wrong, rebut them, teach them, beat them on the battlefield of ideas."
Seems infinitely more reasonable than a safe space from a scary hat.
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So basically, the university had every legal right to toss these girls off the premise for intentionally disturbing the peace and you draw unrelated conclusions based on alternative Constitutional law Do you think we are unfamiliar with Republicans posting a link and making BS claims not supported by said link? If it wasn't a daily occurrence, maybe we wouldn't have picked up on it. But keep lying, it continues to discredit Republicans
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I hope they weren't allowed to go back to high school.
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rabakill posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
One could make an argument for trolling from the following. https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-08/21/15/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/sub-buzz-15804-1503344521-2.jpg?output-quality=auto&output-format=auto&downsize=360:*
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Vandal-X posted...
rabakill posted...
600k posted...
Scorpion122178 posted...
TheHonorableOne posted...
Just because Howard is a private school, doesnt mean they are free to disregard Constitutional laws on viewpoint discrimination. Private vs. public is pretty much out the window in these university cases because these universities generally receive some federal funding or aid. The threshold is very low. Universities arent completely public forums, but they are limited public forums.
If they allow students and guests to wear other political hats or hats with writing, they need to allow this as well or they are engaging in viewpoint discrimination.
Were those girls guests? Or did they just show up uninvited to cause trouble?
Looks like they were trying to troll
Based on what?
One could make an argument for trolling from the following.
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2017-08/21/15/asset/buzzfeed-prod-fastlane-01/sub-buzz-15804-1503344521-2.jpg?output-quality=auto&output-format=auto&downsize=360:*
This: https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/261-politics/75701388/885321917
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Good. Buy American you f***ing traitors.
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Libs are ok with this, not shocked to say the least If a guy wearing an Obama hat was kicked out of a campus there would be violent riots
Taylor swift crew Selena Gomez crew robin sparkles crew
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zeppelin4ever42 posted...
alternative Constitutional law
You have no argument.
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yeeah, shoving your hand in a hornet's nest isn't going to win sympathy points
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TheHonorableOne posted...
zeppelin4ever42 posted...
alternative Constitutional law
You have no argument.
Actually I demonstrated it was not a violation of the 1st or 14th amendments and that the passage you quoted applies to students only, not random people showing up to a campus and harassing students. Until you can come up with an argument I can't easily counter, you are just spouting alt-facts
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