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(Topic Creator)6 days ago#2
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good on sanders and paul.
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It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. Raises some of the same concerns people had about him potentially becoming president.
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Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
Idk. It may have something to do with alleged interference with US election. Idk.
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
Because, they actively interfered in our election. Whether or not they actually succeeded in their goal or actually had an effect is up in the air, but the fact remains that they attempted.
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(Topic Creator)6 days ago#8
Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
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It's because Bernie was promised a full pardon for his wife if the sanctions didn't pass!
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Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. Raises some of the same concerns people had about him potentially becoming president.
i dont really see why it's a protest vote against the bill torpedoing obama's iran deal i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut
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Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
Yeah... Iran should have never been lumped in with these sanctions. Should have been another bill entirely.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Should have been another bill entirely.
...should not be a thing at all. Iran is no longer developing nuclear weapons, why does Trump want them to start back up again?
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He's got a good point about the Iran sanctions, but idk
After finding out Stein was also compromised by Russia, if Sanders was too then somehow Clinton and Johnson were better
JFC 2016 was so s***
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...
Should have been another bill entirely.
...should not be a thing at all. Iran is no longer developing nuclear weapons, why does Trump want them to start back up again?
My point was it should have been a separate discussion. Lumping it in with the Russian sanctions (which were guaranteed to go through) was a low move.
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There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.
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How long do sanctions last anyways? Or is it dependant on Russia song something to remove it?
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(Topic Creator)6 days ago#18
Broseph_Stalin posted...
There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.
The deal put in place by Obama is clear on that. They have abided by the terms of that deal. These sanctions threaten to undermine the US's end of the bargain.
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Antifar posted...
Broseph_Stalin posted...
There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.
The deal put in place by Obama is clear on that. They have abided by the terms of that deal. These sanctions threaten to undermine the US's end of the bargain.
I think that's his point. If we violate it, then they have no reason to hold up their end.
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Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s***
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s***
Who's alt are you? JohnLennon? Or that weird "ssj" dude who constantly posted those race baiting topics?
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Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
Why did all the other Democrats vote for it then? Dumbquestion
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Samurontai posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s***
Who's alt are you? JohnLennon? Or that weird "ssj" dude who constantly posted those race baiting topics?
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Samurontai posted...
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s***
Who's alt are you? JohnLennon? Or that weird "ssj" dude who constantly posted those race baiting topics?
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons.
What's that supposed to mean? They are already starting to develop them, we have to discuss it sooner or later
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TIL only two senators understand international politics
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Mandasnake posted...
Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
Why did all the other Democrats vote for it then?
Dumbquestion
they got scurred cuz nk has missle maybe hit alaska :(
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ChromaticAngel posted...
TIL only two senators understand international politics
Yeah, the socialist and the RINO are really smart guys /s
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What was Rand's reasoning?
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
They attacked our election with their dank memes and made Hillary lose.
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shockthemonkey posted...
What was Rand's reasoning?
It's foreign therefore it's bad!
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(Topic Creator)3 days ago#32
SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Yeah, the socialist and the RINO are really smart guys
Yeah, Chuck Schumer and Jim Inhofe are geniuses
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I love how Iran followed their end of the deal but we are placing sanctions on them. I just saw the tweeter was Hillary person. More Hillary people attacking Sanders. Sanders tried to save something Obama worked hard on while everyone else said ok throw it away.
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Bernie would never want to sanction his former communist utopia
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(Topic Creator)3 days ago#35
Coffeebeanz posted...
Bernie would never want to sanction his former communist utopia
Russia hasn't been communist in like 25 years
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Bullet_Wing posted...
MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
Because, they actively interfered in our election. Whether or not they actually succeeded in their goal or actually had an effect is up in the air, but the fact remains that they attempted.
The government shouldn't be fighting the battles of a private party and campaign.
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shockthemonkey posted...
What was Rand's reasoning?
Sanctions are inherently anti-free market. Darkman124 posted...
i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut
It was never going to pass as a Russia-only sanctions bill. The GOP had to get their jabs in too.
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Bernie would never want to sanction his former communist utopia
I mean, he's outright said he supports sanctioning them.
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia?
For Crimea in the real case, but liberals love wearing their tin foil hats.
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Darkman124 posted...
i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut
Iran has made themselves an ally of Russia and Bashar al-Assad since Obama's nuclear deal went into effect. They've propped up Syria's bloody regime by direct intervention, and by proxy via Hezbollah, and in so doing, helped murder tens of thousands of people, while keeping the rest enslaved to a dictator. I'm not sure that should be overlooked.
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I don't know exactly what's in the bill so i won't criticize too much but stuff like this does concern me that he (Bernie) isn't capable of protecting the country.
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Sanctions are tricky. A lot of Russians suffer a great deal, and that level of poverty and misery can very well feed populist governments and hostile attitudes towards the west. Which could help keep Putin in power.
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AmonAmarth posted...
good on sanders and paul.
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scar the 1 posted...
Sanctions are tricky. A lot of Russians suffer a great deal, and that level of poverty and misery can very well feed populist governments and hostile attitudes towards the west. Which could help keep Putin in power.
Sanctions can also hit the illusion of Putin's indomitable power. If he is able to hack other countries' elections and get away scott free without repercussion, the oligarchs and other power centers in Russia will be more likely to obey them, for they realize they stand to gain without suffering any consequences. When their assets are frozen and their industries sanctioned, they realize there are repercussions, and become less loyal to Putin.
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Senile Sanders with another useless gesture.
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Bernie and Rand Paul are the two best Senators by far, so I'm guessing this is a bad bill.
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I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is. Don't be mistaken - I'm not saying that Russia's actions should go without repercussion, I'm just making the point that it's really complicated and sanctions might not be so good from every perspective. One of those perspectives is that the Russian people, a lot of them, are starving. Things are really tough with oil prices and sanctions etc.
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The Admiral posted...
Senile Sanders with another useless gesture.
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scar the 1 posted...
I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is.
They are loyal because they fear him, look at what happened to Khordokovsky. Therefore that loyalty has to be undermined by fear of external sanctions, which hits their self-interest. Putin is a strongman. All strongmen have to appear strong, otherwise they will be overthrown. Sanctions make Putin appear less strong, less in control.
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Glass_Phantom posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is.
They are loyal because they fear him, look at what happened to Khordokovsky. Therefore that loyalty has to be undermined by fear of external sanctions, which hits their self-interest. Putin is a strongman. All strongmen have to appear strong, otherwise they will be overthrown. Sanctions make Putin appear less strong, less in control.
That's a good point.
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