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if Trump delivers high-speed rail with infrastructure, he will earn a 2nd term.

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young_flip 3 hours ago#1
I'm calling it now.
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hoax123 3 hours ago#2
His approval is bound to be low regardless, but it would be nice if we did something about our terrible infrastructure.
It will be fun to watch republicans going from hating infrastructure to suddenly loving it though.
Lock her up!
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I'm sure he will discover bigfoot too
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monkmith 3 hours ago#4
this isn't japan, high speed rail isn't going to make a bit of difference for 90% of commuters.
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GrandLethal14 3 hours ago#5
He’s not going to, so this is irrelevant.
TundraKing87 3 hours ago#6
I thought high speed rail was a trillion dollar waste of money pushed by anti business loons like Biden and Obama. Oh right, now that an R is in charge it's cool to spend on infrastructure again. Good times.
TundraKing87 posted...
I thought high speed rail was a trillion dollar waste of money pushed by anti business loons like Biden and Obama. Oh right, now that an R is in charge it's cool to spend on infrastructure again. Good times.


but Flip is totally an independent you know
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kozlo100 3 hours ago#8
Folks are forgetting how long this country takes to do infrastructure projects, aren't they?

Even if everyone was on board and eager, there's no way track gets laid before the end of Trump's term.
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goooooBills 3 hours ago#9
Doesn't every president plan to fix the infrastructure in order to create jobs and make the country strong again lol? We spend untold millions (maybe billions over the years) in band-aid fixes to roads and bridges. No one wants to pull the trigger and do what needs to be done. Raising taxes is a death sentence for people that are really only interested in getting re-elected.
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KenZoe 3 hours ago#10
kozlo100 posted...
Folks are forgetting how long this country takes to do infrastructure projects, aren't they?

Even if everyone was on board and eager, there's no way track gets laid before the end of Trump's term.

Oh I'm sure that you'll be saying "Thanks Trump!!" for years to come once he's out of office..... 
The mess he's making isn't fixed by a phone call and flowers.
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young_flip 3 hours ago#11
eisenhower was forever immortalized as a top10 president solely with the national highway system. if trump can pull something off with high-speed rail, he will be as well.
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Brandalia 3 hours ago#12
TundraKing87 posted...
I thought high speed rail was a trillion dollar waste of money pushed by anti business loons like Biden and Obama. Oh right, now that an R is in charge it's cool to spend on infrastructure again. Good times.

No, high speed rail is still a waste of money. Infrastructure, isn't.
TundraKing87 3 hours ago#13
Obama tried both. Trump, the GOP and far right forum users here all bashed the idea as a waste of money.
young_flip 3 hours ago#14
high-speed rail is a waste of money? you guys are crazy. it would be so beneficial for our country its fantastic to even think about.
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monkmith 3 hours ago#15
young_flip posted...
eisenhower was forever immortalized as a top10 president solely with the national highway system. if trump can pull something off with high-speed rail, he will be as well.

that and massively escalating the cold war, though people love to forget that fuckup...

again, high speed rail is pointless in this country for the VAST MAJORITY of commuters.
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Sir_RaZZo 3 hours ago#16
young_flip posted...
high-speed rail is a waste of money? you guys are crazy


You mean the GOP governors who rejected the high-speed rail funds are crazy, right?
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young_flip 3 hours ago#17
monkmith posted...
again, high speed rail is pointless in this country for the VAST MAJORITY of commuters.

no it is not. california has been trying for years but they are too stupid to get it done without massive cost overruns. can you imagine if LA commuters had relief from those freeways? imagine all the manhours freed for other uses. then earlier in a separate topic I gave the example of nyc on the eastcoast.

you take those two states

america's population=330 mil
california=39.5 mil (est)
new york=20 mil (est)
59.5mil/330 = thats nearly 17% potential riders in the U.S. then you start talking of a corridor stretching from Cali all the way past Portland into Seattle on the Pacific coast. or you bring Texas into play. the numbers keep adding up and you start to realize, this is a damn good idea--when are we getting this already?

Sir_RaZZo posted...
You mean the GOP governors who rejected the high-speed rail funds are crazy, right?

fuck them. many of them are gone, but the ones that aren't, they will fall in line this time.
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young_flip 3 hours ago#18
also, as more people hop onto the rail-lines, air-line prices would drop to stay competitive. they'd have no choice. history is also filled with examples of how countries were revitalized with revolutions or mass improvements in transportation. there's nothing but good to come from this.
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and what makes you think TRUMP will be the one to get this done?

he can't make deals for shit
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Mr_Church1313 3 hours ago#20
Considering he just passed a tax bill that removes most of the governments available budget money. I think any infrastructure spending is out of the question.

Honestly we’ll all be lucky to have enough money for pretty much anything come 2020.
No no, we've gotta wait until someone edits it into the Wikipedia article, THEN it's irrevocable truth.
young_flip 3 hours ago#21
Genericgamer667 posted...
and what makes you think TRUMP will be the one to get this done?

he can't make deals for s***

it seemed to be a big part of his campaign, and I can see enough Dems getting on board, since they want it too. only thing they differ on is how to fund it. Barry had his chance and probably would've done a decent job (I hope), but the tea party cancer killed those aspirations off quickly.
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also Trump has made it pretty damn clear that he will NEVER do anything against the Oil and Gas industries wishes
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TonyKojima 3 hours ago#23
young_flip posted...
Genericgamer667 posted...
and what makes you think TRUMP will be the one to get this done?

he can't make deals for s***

it seemed to be a big part of his campaign, and I can see enough Dems getting on board, since they want it too. only thing they differ on is how to fund it. Barry had his chance and probably would've done a decent job (I hope), but the tea party cancer killed those aspirations off quickly.

What a stupid post by a joke.
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young_flip 3 hours ago#24
what?
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mercurydude 3 hours ago#25
lol, and Flip likes to call non-cultists the delusional ones. He's still grasping at straws to try to find some way Trump might save himself after he's turned the presidency into a charade.
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ReignFury 3 hours ago#26
Thats oddly specific especially when we just cut taxes, the actual infrastructural overhaul we need is for utilties and if we couldnt afford it a year ago we sure as shit cant now.
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young_flip 3 hours ago#27
if Barry would've gave us high-speed rail, I would've voted for him in 2012 for a job well-done, no question.
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TundraKing87 3 hours ago#28
So naturally the solution was voting for the guy representing the party that blocked high speed rail?

Odd.
LewsTheDragon 3 hours ago#29
Why would Trump undermine U.S. car manufacturers? I don't think you know how capitalism works, young_flip.
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young_flip 2 hours ago#30
Thats oddly specific especially when we just cut taxes, the actual infrastructural overhaul we need is for utilties and if we couldnt afford it a year ago we sure as s*** cant now.

it'll most likely be a P3 (public private partnership), like the EU loves so much. POTUS in the latest interview said he wanted $1 trillion+ plus to go into infrastructure. Barry was doing about 300-400 billion sporadically throughout his presidency just for maintenance. the numbers will probably be even higher than that as I don't see this as a one-time thing, it'll be multiple bills over a few years. they are going to have to get creative. 

@TundraKing87
I didn't vote Trump because of civil liberty concerns. left President blank. but if he gives us high-speed rail, I'd put his name down in 2020.
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high speed rails are a myth in the US. we seem to have too much corruption to build any more new train tracks.
Yup.
again, if it undermines fossil fuel companies, it won't happen
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hoax123 2 hours ago#33
Its kinda ridiculous, really.
We cut taxes when we need to do something about our infrastructure, like the rich people need more money.
Lock her up!
young_flip 2 hours ago#34
LewsTheDragon posted...
Why would Trump undermine U.S. car manufacturers? I don't think you know how capitalism works, young_flip.

they can co-exist. Japan doesn't seem to have any problem managing it.
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Von23 2 hours ago#35
I mean, if anyone can make it happen, it would be Trump, but you think the GOP would have his back on this 100%?

To much money floating around for that to happen cleanly....
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LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#36
young_flip posted...
they can co-exist. Japan doesn't seem to have any problem managing it.

I'm not saying they can't coexist.

I'm saying they won't, in this country, so long as we elect politicians firmly in the pocket of business interests. If you think that does not characterize Trump, then again, I can only assume you don't know what you're talking about.
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young_flip 2 hours ago#37
or maybe you're just relentlessly negative and stuck in the mire.
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LewsTheDragon posted...
Why would Trump undermine U.S. car manufacturers? I don't think you know how capitalism works, young_flip.


lol, blaming Trump. Yeah, high speed rail has worked out so well in California. Definitely no corruption and incompetence going on. All Trump. 

Trump Derangement Syndrome has truly destroyed most of you.
Yup.
LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#39
young_flip posted...
or maybe you're just relentlessly negative and stuck in the mire.

So no counter-argument? Just wish-thinking?
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goooooBills 2 hours ago#40
LewsTheDragon posted...
young_flip posted...
or maybe you're just relentlessly negative and stuck in the mire.

So no counter-argument? Just wish-thinking?


Gotta agree with you. Trump really is like every other politician. Well...maybe a bit more flamboyant haha
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has trump EVER gone against the wishes of the fossil fuel industry?
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gogues 2 hours ago#42
If he actually succeeded and executed that I would give him some serious props. Might even consider voting for him.

But it’s such a departure from the Trump I know that I’m not holding my breath.
young_flip 2 hours ago#43
Trump is no more beholden to business interests than any President has been, and you can argue much less given he was nearly 100% self-funded for a decent portion of it. but its different now, because "DRUMPF!" I guess. 

maybe the issue is that you guys really don't wanna see this happen because your preferred candidate wouldn't be the one to implement it. all you have to offer is straight up negativity. be gone!
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UnsteadyOwl 2 hours ago#44
kozlo100 posted...
Folks are forgetting how long this country takes to do infrastructure projects, aren't they?

Even if everyone was on board and eager, there's no way track gets laid before the end of Trump's term.

Pretty much this. If a high speed rail system was to get approved tomorrow it might be finished in 20 years or so.

Still though, I like the idea of a big push to modernize the country's infrastructure. That's the one part of Trump's campaign platform I was on board with. I would want to see how it's going to be implemented though. The devil's in the details, as they say.
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hoax123 2 hours ago#45
young_flip posted...
Trump is no more beholden to business interests than any President has been, and you can argue much less given he was nearly 100% self-funded for a decent portion of it. but its different now, because "DRUMPF!" I guess. 

maybe the issue is that you guys really don't wanna see this happen because your preferred candidate wouldn't be the one to implement it. all you have to offer is straight up negativity. be gone!


And then he sold out during the general election, so whats your point again?
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Kradek 2 hours ago#46
Lol, yes. A high speed rail is totally what would earn him a second term. 

Because if right-wing Americans want anything, it's to desperately emulate Europe.
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TundraKing87 2 hours ago#47
He funded his campaign with his own money (lie)

And "his" money is via loans and investments from foreign oligarchs and corporate types.

Dude is obviously as bought as err'body else.
young_flip 2 hours ago#48
hoax123 posted...
And then he sold out during the general election, so whats your point again?

sold out to who? oil and gas? they didn't give to Trump, I just looked it up. thats just another leftist boogeyman as to why we can't do something which is very possible.
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Starks 2 hours ago#49
$200b from the federal govt. $800b from the states and private investment.

High-speed won't get built. Just toll road and profit-making projects.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I remember not that long ago especially on this board, conservatives talking shit on California for wanting to build a high speed rail system here. Saying it's "too expensive", "pointless", etc.
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    LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#51
    young_flip posted...
    Trump is no more beholden to business interests than any President has been, and you can argue much less given he was nearly 100% self-funded for a decent portion of it. but its different now, because "DRUMPF!" I guess.

    It's not different now because it wasn't different then. Here's your "totally not in the pocket of business guy" defunding a government agency tasked with subsidizing renewable energy tech:

    The Department of Energy (DOE) has stopped processing the paperwork on tens of millions of dollars in research that its Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) has agreed to fund.

    DOE officials aren't saying why they have taken this unusual step, dubbed a “no-contract action.” It went into effect earlier this month and affects more than a dozen projects across four new ARPA-E programs. The move, first reported by Politico Pro, includes a gag order on ARPA-E program managers, leaving investigators in the dark about the status of their grants. The resulting uncertainty is having a devastating impact on research teams, scientists say, and even threatens the viability of small companies for whom these major awards are so important.

    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/04/doe-freezes-millions-high-tech-energy-grants-and-gags-staff

    Man, that kool-aid must have some good coke in it, or something.

    young_flip posted...
    maybe the issue is that you guys really don't wanna see this happen because your preferred candidate wouldn't be the one to implement it. all you have to offer is straight up negativity. be gone!

    I'm sorry that I live in realty and you live in a fictional world. If Trump were to do this, I would also applaud. I'm just not holding my breath, since I know how anything works.
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    young_flip posted...
    hoax123 posted...
    And then he sold out during the general election, so whats your point again?

    sold out to who? oil and gas? they didn't give to Trump, I just looked it up. thats just another leftist boogeyman as to why we can't do something which is very possible.


    You could be wrong, but as usual, the lunatic Dems pretending Hillary is the savior are also wrong:

    http://fortune.com/2016/09/07/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-oil-donations/

    Hillary Clinton has significantly out-raised Donald Trump in the oil and gas industry, an important venue for campaign financing that has historically served as a boon for Republicans, according to a new Wall Street Journal analysis.

    As of the latest fundraising cycle at the end of July, employees in the oil and gas sector had donated $525,000 to Clinton’s campaign, compared with $149,000 to Trump’s team, the newspaper reported.

    That’s outside of the $470,000 that members of the industry gave to a fundraising account Trump holds with the Republican National Committee. But even that pales in comparison to Clinton’s DNC account, which took in $650,000.


    "I hate Trump because he only helps big business!"

    *banks, gas, etc. all donate more to hillary*

    "Its okay they are RESISTING!"
    Yup.
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    goooooBills 2 hours ago#53
    You guys are acting like only certain politicians cave to big business. They all do lol
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    LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#54
    goooooBills posted...
    You guys are acting like only certain politicians cave to big business. They all do lol

    Bernie didn't. He got 12 million votes with zero corporate backing.
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    goooooBills 2 hours ago#55
    LewsTheDragon posted...
    goooooBills posted...
    You guys are acting like only certain politicians cave to big business. They all do lol

    Bernie didn't. He got 12 million votes with zero corporate backing.


    I guess I should have said president lol. Buy yeah, you're right.
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    Heineken14 2 hours ago#56
    TundraKing87 posted...
    Obama tried both. Trump, the GOP and far right forum users here all bashed the idea as a waste of money.


    That. In fact, I'd be more willing to bet Donnie would try to destroy any highspeed rail that was already have simply because Obama wanted it.
    Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
    hoax123 2 hours ago#57
    Btw, every sane person knows that Hillary was bought and paid for as well.
    We had the choice between the wallstreet candidate, or....the wallstreet candidate, great choices!
    Lock her up!
    young_flip 2 hours ago#58
    It's not different now because it wasn't different then. Here's your "totally not in the pocket of business guy" defunding a government agency tasked with subsidizing renewable energy tech:

    so?

    LewsTheDragon posted...
    I'm sorry that I live in realty and you live in a fictional world. If Trump were to do this, I would also applaud. I'm just not holding my breath, since I know how anything works.

    for a guy always touting his "heightened" level of awareness, its strange you don't recognize what frame of history the U.S. in in right now. regular order doesn't apply as much. this opens up the avenue of possibility. what does this mean? things that weren't quite possible before have a much greater chance of succeeding now. all you have are reasons why something can't happen, instead of giving ones why it can. thats weak.

    TheHonorableOne posted...

    You could be wrong, but as usual, the lunatic Dems pretending Hillary is the savior are also wrong:

    I didn't see that article, was looking at a few others.
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    young_flip posted...
    I didn't see that article, was looking at a few others.


    its ok. donations don't exist but they then do its okay because RESIST.
    Yup.
    Hyena 20 2 hours ago#60
    Any infrastructure bill that he and Congress pass will be filled with serious business and safety regulation repeals-- including both worker safety and federal laws governing the quality and procedures of building materials, codes, etc.
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    TundraKing87 posted...
    I thought high speed rail was a trillion dollar waste of money pushed by anti business loons like Biden and Obama. Oh right, now that an R is in charge it's cool to spend on infrastructure again. Good times.

    Nah, high speed rail outside of a couple major corridors is still a moronic waste of money regardless of who is pushing it. Putting the whole country on Positive Rail Control would be a much better investment, or the ten thousand bridges that need attention.
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    LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#62
    young_flip posted...
    all you have are reasons why something can't happen, instead of giving ones why it can. thats weak.

    Again, no counter-argument, just wish-thinking. Let me know when you learn how to think in terms of reality.
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    young_flip 2 hours ago#63
    the strength of your argument doesn't necessitate further effort.
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    LewsTheDragon 2 hours ago#64
    young_flip posted...
    the strength of your argument doesn't necessitate further effort.

    What evidence have you brought forth? 'Cause I have shown you that Trump's administration is actively defunding technology in direct competition with oil and car companies.

    That could not be more relevant to this topic.

    What, again, is your argument? Wish-thinking is not argument.
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    young_flip 2 hours ago#65
    what do you mean, my argument? Trump is constantly bringing it up, Cohn is constantly bringing it up, as are other members of the administration. they see the need and want to tackle it. you seem to think funding from those industries are the sole determinants of how things will turn out. I'm telling you I don't see that to be the case.

    example: https://www.dallasnews.com/news/transportation/2017/03/10/timed-pitch-trump-administration-propels-texas-bullet-train-top-mind

    Florida, Cali and Texas, all interested. so states are on board. Elaine Chao is on board. Trump is on board. why aren't you?

    don't let your jaded outlook completely erode your optimism, comrade.
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    He wasn't seeking any of the taxpayer-funded grants sought by high-speed rail projects in California and the Northeast. What the $10 billion Texas Central Railway really needs is a green light from the agency Chao oversees.


    The question now is whether private investment- coupled with regulatory relief -- is a model the Trump administration could use to finance and expedite his promised $1 trillion infrastructure push, and not just in Texas.
    The president has said his plan will include private and public funding. But there appears to be little appetite in Congress to spend big on infrastructure, especially as Republicans are preparing to cut taxes.
    Texas Central's entrepreneurial approach, which neatly sidesteps the politically charged appropriations process on Capitol Hill, could be a faster way.

    Chao giving the green light is more than nothing, but barely. This article shares my pessimism, you'll note.

    However, I will concede that it is cool that the Houston Astros owner is planning to do this. Without government aid, you'll note.

    young_flip posted...
    don't let your jaded outlook completely erode your optimism, comrade.

    Don't call me comrade, capitalist.
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    young_flip 1 hour ago#67
    at least you stopped the curmudgeonly objections.
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    young_flip posted...
    at least you stopped the curmudgeonly objections.

    I've objected to nothing. I'm displaying a skeptical pessimism that is shared by your only source thus far.
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    young_flip 1 hour ago#69
    "it'll undermine cars!"
    Japan can do it.

    "Trump is bought and paid for!"
    Texas is doing it with the OK of his admin.

    what you bolded is also dated, Mcconnell recently stated that something can happen on this in 2018. your pessimism is tiring and jejune. doesn't matter how you dress it up, as world-weary cynicism or whatever.
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    young_flip 1 hour ago#70
    anymore complaints?
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    Heineken14 posted...
    TundraKing87 posted...
    Obama tried both. Trump, the GOP and far right forum users here all bashed the idea as a waste of money.


    That. In fact, I'd be more willing to bet Donnie would try to destroy any highspeed rail that was already have simply because Obama wanted it.


    Kinda funny you'd say that. 

    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-amtrak-infrastructure-spending-766861
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    young_flip posted...
    "it'll undermine cars!"
    Japan can do it.

    Did you not read my post? I don't care that it will undermine cars. Powerful interests in Washington do. My skepticism is founded.

    young_flip posted...
    "Trump is bought and paid for!"
    Texas is doing it with the OK of his admin.

    Trump is actively undermining competing technologies in the energy sector. That's true whether or not Chao gives a Texas billionaire the OK to build rail. That Trump's administration isn't funding.

    young_flip posted...
    what you bolded is also dated

    Then cite better sources.
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    Lastbetrayal posted...
    http://www.newsweek.com/trump-amtrak-infrastructure-spending-766861

    President Donald Trump and his administration halted a $13 billion federal spending plan to rebuild a crucial Amtrak passageway from New Jersey to New York. The administration said there was "no such agreement" to pay half of the cost to rebuild the commuter tunnel that services tens of thousands of New Jersey commuters despite Trump's calls to spend more money on infrastructure in 2018.

    Top Federal Transportation Authority officials pulled the plug on an Obama-era agreement with New York Governor Andrew Cuomo and New Jersey Governor Chris Christie Friday, Crain's reported, after the governors sent a proposal to receive half of the project's costs in loans from the federal government. The gateway tunnel project aims to rebuild a tunnel that brings New Jersey commuters into Penn Station, which sees about 600,000 commuters in a single day.

    Lol. There's your rail hero in action, young_flip.

    But I'm sure he means what he says this time.
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    young_flip 44 minutes ago#74
    LewsTheDragon posted...

    Trump is actively undermining competing technologies in the energy sector. That's true whether or not Chao gives a Texas billionaire the OK to build rail.

    no, what they are doing is offloading the development of that to private interests. no more tax-dollars are necessary there. govt has been funding it with subsidies, grants and other programs since the 70s (energy crisis). its time to allocate money more efficiently, especially now that we have enough natural gas here to move into energy autarky. this is just a pet issue of yours and isn't really related to high-speed rail.

    That Trump's administration isn't funding.

    are you not familiar with the Trump proposals for infrastructure in general? this is a nitpicking complaint. it doesn't matter how its funded, only that it gets done. and that link shows they are on board with the initiative. all you have are screams about money men in the shadows.

    LewsTheDragon posted...
    Then cite better sources.

    stop complaining.
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    young_flip 39 minutes ago#75
    LewsTheDragon posted...
    Lol. There's your rail hero in action, young_flip.

    But I'm sure he means what he says this time.

    Barry was forced to make these kinds of patch-work agreements on maintenance since the tea party blocked him on everything else infrastructure. this admin wants to roll it all up into one big bill, maintenance and development both. plus, Amtrak isn't high speed rail. you've probably never even ridden Amtrak. it is a relic.

    once the plan comes out, and high-speed rail is in it, I predict a convenient disappearance on your part.
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    mizukage2 36 minutes ago#76
    I guess we will never know since Cheeto Benito has demonstrated no real care for building anything besides his vanity project wall that won't do shit to stop illegal immigration. But even if he actually did do it thats not some accomplishment great enough to deserve a second term, especially when balanced against all the other shit he has done.
    I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh
    LewsTheDragon 36 minutes ago#77
    young_flip posted...
    no, what they are doing is offloading the development of that to private interests. no more tax-dollars are necessary there. govt has been funding it with subsidies, grants and other programs since the 70s (energy crisis).

    So you're admitting that Trump and his administration will have little to do with it?

    young_flip posted...
    its time to allocate money more efficiently, especially now that we have enough natural gas here to move into energy autarky.

    Genius. Fracking is clearly the way to go. /s

    young_flip posted...
    this is just a pet issue of yours and isn't really related to high-speed rail.

    It's a "pet issue" that the President of the United States is actively undermining renewable energy research and development? What a malformed worldview you have.

    young_flip posted...
    are you not familiar with the Trump proposals for infrastructure in general?

    Are you not familiar with Trump's well documented record as a serial liar?

    young_flip posted...
    this is a nitpicking complaint.

    It's literally the assertion your topic is making. Trump is either "deliver[ing]" rail or he isn't.

    young_flip posted...
    it doesn't matter how its funded, only that it gets done. and that link shows they are on board with the initiative. all you have are screams about money men in the shadows.

    Funding matters in the context of your assertion that Trump is "deliver[ing]" this to us. You created the frame of this argument, not me. Do better research next time. And an article from a peer reviewed science journal could hardly be characterized as "screams about money men in the shadows."

    young_flip posted...
    stop complaining.

    So you have no response to the fact that you had to argue against your own source? Who taught you how to argue? Trump?
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    young_flip 20 minutes ago#78
    So you're admitting that Trump and his administration will have little to do with it?

    ignoring that this is all speculation anyway, mine being positive and yours relentlessly negative, I imagine their role will be to provide support, both legislative/advisory and some financial. most important from fedgov is the push and acceptance of states plans already in place (Texas), or helping them to make their plans more efficient and less expensive (Cali/Florida).

    Are you not familiar with Trump's well documented record as a serial liar?

    meaningless statement. every President lies on a number of issues, do your homework. what we're talking about is a key campaign issue which, according to what we've seen in this past year, I feel reasonably confident he'll make an attempt to fulfill.

    So you have no response to the fact that you had to argue against your own source? Who taught you how to argue? Trump?

    you are dense. I've been arguing for Trump's admin being on board this whole time. then I showed you that Chao, who works in the executive branch as head of the DoT, okayed it. if the doom and gloom you believe to be true held here, she would've walked away "becuzz OIL!" 

    the other thing is, what you bolded spoke to issues on Capitol Hill, meaning Congress, which is a separate branch if you did not know. then I clarified and said that part was dated, since McConnell appears to be more on-board from recent comments. if typing a few words into a search engine hurts and you want to be spoon-fed another link confirming that, I can't help you.

    you are flailing against and not doing a good job of it. nothing I have said belies any assertion I've made. stop with the verbal traps, and the negativity. this is a good thing and is likely to get done.
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    AP3Brain 15 minutes ago#79
    Uh....you do understand how long a project like that takes correct?....
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    young_flip 13 minutes ago#80
    also, in your screaming about the money-men, it should be noted that the DOE officials didn't say why they put the kibosh on those programs. but it is you repeatedly saying high-speed rail won't happen "CUZZ OIL!...an gas!" thats your connective link here I suppose. where is your proof for that? or am I just supposed to take your word?
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