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Poor Hillary, Intimidated In the Debates By Big, Bad Donald Trump

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battourye 1 day ago#1
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/24/poor-hillary-intimidated-in-debates-by-big-bad-donald-trump.html

Poor Hillary. Big, bad Donald Trump got so close to her during the presidential debate last fall, she says, that he “made her skin crawl.”

“Morning Joe” broadcast a recording of Mrs. Clinton reading that revealing snippet aloud yesterday, her plain, hard intonations trying to excite interest in “What Happened?” her new book purporting to explain why she lost the election.

The passage, which recounts her musing about how she should react to his looming presence, evokes several responses.

Number one: if that’s the best tease they could find in this unnecessary oeuvre (don’t we all know why she lost?), I hope Simon & Schuster has a sure-fire way to get their advance back. The company is deep in the hole after publishing her last tome, “Hard Choices,” which sold only some 280,000 copies in its first year. For that one they reportedly ponied up an advance of $14 million; whatever they paid for this one, it was probably too much.

By the way, that sales total for “Hard Choices,” a stunningly dull work, doesn’t come close to the million-plus copies sold of Trump’s “Art of the Deal;” one more round to Trump. 

Number two: her recollection may be faulty. Hillary’s memory often plays tricks on her, like when she mistakenly remembered having come under sniper fire in Bosnia, or when she blamed the Benghazi attack on a video, or when she said that all her grandparents had immigrated to the U.S. (Three of four were born in this country.)

The morning after the debate in question, then-candidate Trump, accused of having tried to intimidate her, denied the charge, and claimed that it was Clinton who invaded his space. The video shown on Morning Joe shows Trump standing at some distance from Hillary, not breathing down her neck, contrary to her description of the scene. He patiently waits at his lectern while she speaks. What is the truth?

Number three: in the book, she says that at the time, feeling uncomfortable, she wished she could “hit pause, and say to everyone watching, well, what would you do?” That is so extraordinarily revealing. Hillary Clinton, at that moment, feeling pressured by her rival and uncertain how to respond, actually wants to take a survey. She doesn’t trust her own instincts, so turns to crowd-sourcing for answers.

Maybe this book is more telling than we had imagined because, indeed, that is exactly one of the reasons Clinton lost. Remember early in the campaign when the New York Times wrote an admiring story about Hillary’s intense preparation? How she had consulted no less than 47 experts in preparing her economic agenda? I thought at the time: anyone nearing 70 and readying to run for president must surely know what she believes. But no, she was lost, and still exploring every point of view.
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AceMos 1 day ago#2
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things
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JokedUp 1 day ago#4
She lost all the debates if you ignore what the word "debate" actually means.

Also, Trump didn't write "Art of the Deal", time to let that one go.
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How does she think Bill Clinton's victims feel?
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AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

She was fed the answers in at least one of them beforehand lol
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Lillymon 1 day ago#8
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

Unfortunately too many Americans see 'babbling like a moron' as 'being passionate about the issues' and are far too willing to give candidates a pass for not knowing s*** about those issues as long as they can talk loudly and continuously about them.
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carljenk 1 day ago#9
Lol you post fake news about hillary 8 months into trumps presidency. Time to stop being a joke person.
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Ronster87 1 day ago#11
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
How does she think Bill Clinton's victims feel?


The 'champion of women' called them bimbos and defended her husband. Conveniently playing the 'I'm a poor weak woman who felt threatened' card now for sympathy.



How fake does this woman sound?
Just sayin'
Covenant 1 day ago#12
Playing the victim is so presidential.
Lillymon 1 day ago#13
Covenant posted...
Playing the victim is so presidential.

Well of course! Every time Donald Trump speaks he paints himself as a victim of the media, business, Congress, the far-left, the deep state, and so many more! There's nothing more presidential these days.
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God bless that brave woman. That must have been terrifying.
Covenant posted...
Playing the victim is so presidential.

Social Justice Warriors will eat it up though. Cause they don't want to end sexism. They just want to end anything they don't like while taking advantage of anything that benefits them.
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Chronofan8 23 hours ago#16
Haha yeah what's so unnerving about a demonstrably unhinged man who abused his ex-wife creeping up behind you for no apparent reason?
untrustful 23 hours ago#17
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

Keep in mind, most people didn't watch the debates for hillary, they watched the debates to see if Trump would improve. For some reason, America treats Trump like he's their child, so any progress, regardless of how insignificant it is, would result in people taking pride in it.
Chronofan8 23 hours ago#18
untrustful posted...
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

Keep in mind, most people didn't watch the debates for hillary, they watched the debates to see if Trump would improve. For some reason, America treats Trump like he's their child, so any progress, regardless of how insignificant it is, would result in people taking pride in it.


Wow, he didn't rip off his pants and take a s*** on the stage! This man has earned my vote.
Kia123Amini 23 hours ago#19
Dwavenhobble posted...
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

She was fed the answers in at least one of them beforehand lol
Yeah but she won all three lol

Also, preparing for debates =/= a bad thing lol

Also, would hearing the questions before the debate have helped Donnie provide coherent answers at all? Probably not lol

Also, you later posted some tripe about an imaginary boogeyman getting imaginary benefits from making claims about a system that only benefits them (if that seems convoluted, it's probably because your thought process is asinine), but you couldn't think of a single example. Probably because you're wrong lol
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EightySix22 22 hours ago#20
For one, I'm glad Trump made her feel that way. That's what she gets for the hit job on Bernie and handing over the Presidency to a right-wing nutcase.
Covenant 21 hours ago#21
Lillymon posted...
Covenant posted...
Playing the victim is so presidential.

B-but Trump!

Nice deflection, kiddo.
You're not wrong, but you're also not on topic.


Kia123Amini posted...
Yeah but she won all three lol

I'm not sure GameFAQs understands what constitutes winning a Presidential debate. A debate is about appealing to an audience and Clinton didn't appeal to anybody who wasn't already going to vote to her.
Russian Rocket 21 hours ago#22
Covenant posted...

Kia123Amini posted...
Yeah but she won all three lol

I'm not sure GameFAQs understands what constitutes winning a Presidential debate. A debate is about appealing to an audience and Clinton didn't appeal to anybody who wasn't already going to vote to her.


She got bigger debate bumps, if I recall.
LuigisBro 21 hours ago#23
this will be in the fiction section right?
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Covenant 20 hours ago#24
Russian Rocket posted...
She got bigger debate bumps, if I recall.

She had a 98% chance to win the election, if I recall.
Kia123Amini 20 hours ago#25
Covenant posted...
Russian Rocket posted...
She got bigger debate bumps, if I recall.

She had a 98% chance to win the election, if I recall.
Covenant posted...

Nice deflection, kiddo.
You're not wrong, but you're also not on topic.
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Roll-of-Shame 20 hours ago#26
Now the human side of Hillary comes out. She should of shivered whenever Trump loomed over her for extra points with people instead of just writing about it later.
dermoratraken 19 hours ago#27
It's funny to see her and others on the left talk about what happened as if they have any understanding. They wouldn't be in this position if they did.
Roll-of-Shame 19 hours ago#28
dermoratraken posted...
It's funny to see her and others on the left talk about what happened as if they have any understanding. They wouldn't be in this position if they did.

Not necessarily true. I mean Trump won and right before the election wanted to do away with the electoral college, el oh fkn el.
DefYouth 19 hours ago#29
Dwavenhobble posted...
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

She was fed the answers in at least one of them beforehand lol

She was told the questions once in the Democratic primary debates. She wasn't given "answers" to anything during the debates with Trump.
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ClayGuida 19 hours ago#30
AngelsNAirwav3s posted...
How does she think Bill Clinton's victims feel?

About the same as Trump's.
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Covenant 19 hours ago#31
Kia123Amini posted...
Profoundly ignorant garbage

My comment is relevant. The evidence presented to refute my claim was a matter of polls, which, as we all know, were highly unreliable. People spent months after the election trying to figure out why, in their words, the polls were wrong.

Nice try, though.
JokedUp 19 hours ago#32
One of her biggest problems was that she took the high road too much. As a pascifist that's a weird thing to say, but I feel like if she had just went back at him a little she would have gotten a lot more respect from people.

Just being the bigger person allows the other to keep being a child. Anyone who can't already see the difference, won't, so she only changed the minds of anyone who weren't sure about both of them to begin with. 

The only way she would have ever swayed people from his side is to be get a little dirty while still being an adult about it. Basically, you can play the way he plays but keep your dignity doing it and then with both those examples on stage they'll see the extra layer of petulance in him and how unnecessary it is. At least that's how would do it. Be a bigger, smarter, more sarcastic yet respectful dickhead.
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omega bahumat 18 hours ago#33
battourye posted...
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/08/24/poor-hillary-intimidated-in-debates-by-big-bad-donald-trump.html

Poor Hillary. Big, bad Donald Trump got so close to her during the presidential debate last fall, she says, that he “made her skin crawl.”

“Morning Joe” broadcast a recording of Mrs. Clinton reading that revealing snippet aloud yesterday, her plain, hard intonations trying to excite interest in “What Happened?” her new book purporting to explain why she lost the election.

The passage, which recounts her musing about how she should react to his looming presence, evokes several responses.

Number one: if that’s the best tease they could find in this unnecessary oeuvre (don’t we all know why she lost?), I hope Simon & Schuster has a sure-fire way to get their advance back. The company is deep in the hole after publishing her last tome, “Hard Choices,” which sold only some 280,000 copies in its first year. For that one they reportedly ponied up an advance of $14 million; whatever they paid for this one, it was probably too much.

By the way, that sales total for “Hard Choices,” a stunningly dull work, doesn’t come close to the million-plus copies sold of Trump’s “Art of the Deal;” one more round to Trump. 

Number two: her recollection may be faulty. Hillary’s memory often plays tricks on her, like when she mistakenly remembered having come under sniper fire in Bosnia, or when she blamed the Benghazi attack on a video, or when she said that all her grandparents had immigrated to the U.S. (Three of four were born in this country.)

The morning after the debate in question, then-candidate Trump, accused of having tried to intimidate her, denied the charge, and claimed that it was Clinton who invaded his space. The video shown on Morning Joe shows Trump standing at some distance from Hillary, not breathing down her neck, contrary to her description of the scene. He patiently waits at his lectern while she speaks. What is the truth?

Number three: in the book, she says that at the time, feeling uncomfortable, she wished she could “hit pause, and say to everyone watching, well, what would you do?” That is so extraordinarily revealing. Hillary Clinton, at that moment, feeling pressured by her rival and uncertain how to respond, actually wants to take a survey. She doesn’t trust her own instincts, so turns to crowd-sourcing for answers.

Maybe this book is more telling than we had imagined because, indeed, that is exactly one of the reasons Clinton lost. Remember early in the campaign when the New York Times wrote an admiring story about Hillary’s intense preparation? How she had consulted no less than 47 experts in preparing her economic agenda? I thought at the time: anyone nearing 70 and readying to run for president must surely know what she believes. But no, she was lost, and still exploring every point of view.


How is this viewed as a bad thing?
atmasabr 18 hours ago#34
When I saw this story I was like "ugh." Women need to learn not to expose weakness like that.

But if I said that openly at work I'd be reprimanded for it.

The same exact thing happened to Bush, you know (perhaps not as severely), and he wrote about it in different terms--he didn't show all his cards to the reader, he just told you the minimum you needed to know.

Now Bush handled it better than Clinton did at the time. I've read praise for how Bush handled it, in a way that diminished Gore, nothing either way about how Clinton handled it. It's reasonable for her to point that out, though I think she handled it well enough that it is not relevant. Like she said, she is a pro at keeping her cool on the outside and not letting it get to her.

But that is not the story here anymore. The story here is her effeminate, overdramatic display of feelings.

That's a shame.


For the record, I am fully aware that what I have said just now represents harsh institutional sexism.
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Devilanse333 18 hours ago#35
DefYouth posted...
Dwavenhobble posted...
AceMos posted...
she crushed him in all 3 debates whiel he kept bablign like a moron and could not shut up and let her speak she remained calm and on point of things

She was fed the answers in at least one of them beforehand lol

She was told the questions once in the Democratic primary debates. She wasn't given "answers" to anything during the debates with Trump.


How do you get "answers" to a debate? How do trump humpers tie their own shoes?
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Kia123Amini 16 hours ago#36
Covenant posted...
Kia123Amini posted...
Profoundly ignorant garbage

My comment is relevant. The evidence presented to refute my claim was a matter of polls, which, as we all know, were highly unreliable. People spent months after the election trying to figure out why, in their words, the polls were wrong.

Nice try, though.
so you're saying that, because polls said that more people would vote for Hillary (which they were correct about), then all polls are wrong, and the debate bump was fake news?

Profoundly ignorant garbage is right, but you put it in the wrong spot, tbh.
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Covenant 16 hours ago#37
Kia123Amini posted...
so you're saying that, because polls said that more people would vote for Hillary

Oversimplified to the point of irrelevance. I didn't expect anything else, though.

then all polls are wrong

Strawman. No, not all polls are wrong. Just the polls that experts spent months dissecting to see why they failed to accurately reflect reality.

Kia123Amini posted...
and the debate bump was fake news?

I wouldn't call it fake news unless it were intentional and I don't care to speculate over the motives of the people pushing these polls. The polls did not reflect reality and the debate bumps seen in the polls did not reflect reality, either. We have President Donald Trump as evidence of that, if the legions of experts dissecting the polls to figure out where they went wrong isn't enough for you.
Luminozero 6 hours ago#38
You know what is funny?

Imagine if Hillary acted like Bernie. Bombastic screaming, railing against the establishment, the whole song and dance. What would people say about her then?

Hysterical.
Unhinged.
Emotional.

A woman in politics has to be very careful how she presents herself. Donald Trump's bravado was seen as 'manly'. If Hillary did it she would have been 'b****y'.
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Dwavenhobble 2 hours ago#39
DefYouth posted...

She was told the questions once in the Democratic primary debates. She wasn't given "answers" to anything during the debates with Trump.

She was given the questions in advance of one of the debates too so she and her team could prepare answers. 

Even with all that, that's the best she could do? Really her and a team of people working on the best answer and that's the best they could do?
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