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The response to this has been, uh, interesting
https://twitter.com/peterdaou/status/890704775137955840 https://twitter.com/politicalmiller/status/890712101634932737 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFx1JBWU0AADQ0a.jpg
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia? Because, they actively interfered in our election. Whether or not they actually succeeded in their goal or actually had an effect is up in the air, but the fact remains that they attempted.
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It's because Bernie was promised a full pardon for his wife if the sanctions didn't pass!
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Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. Raises some of the same concerns people had about him potentially becoming president. i dont really see why it's a protest vote against the bill torpedoing obama's iran deal i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut
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Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. Yeah... Iran should have never been lumped in with these sanctions. Should have been another bill entirely.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...Should have been another bill entirely. My point was it should have been a separate discussion. Lumping it in with the Russian sanctions (which were guaranteed to go through) was a low move.
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Broseph_Stalin posted...
There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons. The deal put in place by Obama is clear on that. They have abided by the terms of that deal. These sanctions threaten to undermine the US's end of the bargain.
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Antifar posted...
Broseph_Stalin posted...There shouldn't be a discussion on whether or not Iran should have nuclear weapons. I think that's his point. If we violate it, then they have no reason to hold up their end.
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s*** Who's alt are you? JohnLennon? Or that weird "ssj" dude who constantly posted those race baiting topics? |
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Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. Why did all the other Democrats vote for it then? Dumbquestion
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SSJ-Spiderman posted...
Samurontai posted...SSJ-Spiderman posted...Paul is such a f***ing rino, holy s*** Ah great, and blocked |
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TIL only two senators understand international politics
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Mandasnake posted...
Antifar posted...Glass_Phantom posted...It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it. they got scurred cuz nk has missle maybe hit alaska :( |
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MarqueeSeries posted...
Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia? They attacked our election with their dank memes and made Hillary lose. |
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I love how Iran followed their end of the deal but we are placing sanctions on them.
I just saw the tweeter was Hillary person. More Hillary people attacking Sanders. Sanders tried to save something Obama worked hard on while everyone else said ok throw it away.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
MarqueeSeries posted...Why exactly are we placing sanctions on Russia? The government shouldn't be fighting the battles of a private party and campaign. |
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shockthemonkey posted...
What was Rand's reasoning? Sanctions are inherently anti-free market. Darkman124 posted... i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut It was never going to pass as a Russia-only sanctions bill. The GOP had to get their jabs in too. |
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Bernie would never want to sanction his former communist utopia I mean, he's outright said he supports sanctioning them. |
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Darkman124 posted...
i'm more surprised senate dems didn't fight harder to have the iran sanctions cut Iran has made themselves an ally of Russia and Bashar al-Assad since Obama's nuclear deal went into effect. They've propped up Syria's bloody regime by direct intervention, and by proxy via Hezbollah, and in so doing, helped murder tens of thousands of people, while keeping the rest enslaved to a dictator. I'm not sure that should be overlooked. |
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scar the 1 posted...
Sanctions are tricky. A lot of Russians suffer a great deal, and that level of poverty and misery can very well feed populist governments and hostile attitudes towards the west. Which could help keep Putin in power. Sanctions can also hit the illusion of Putin's indomitable power. If he is able to hack other countries' elections and get away scott free without repercussion, the oligarchs and other power centers in Russia will be more likely to obey them, for they realize they stand to gain without suffering any consequences. When their assets are frozen and their industries sanctioned, they realize there are repercussions, and become less loyal to Putin. |
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I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is.
Don't be mistaken - I'm not saying that Russia's actions should go without repercussion, I'm just making the point that it's really complicated and sanctions might not be so good from every perspective. One of those perspectives is that the Russian people, a lot of them, are starving. Things are really tough with oil prices and sanctions etc.
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scar the 1 posted...
I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is. They are loyal because they fear him, look at what happened to Khordokovsky. Therefore that loyalty has to be undermined by fear of external sanctions, which hits their self-interest. Putin is a strongman. All strongmen have to appear strong, otherwise they will be overthrown. Sanctions make Putin appear less strong, less in control. |
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Glass_Phantom posted...
scar the 1 posted...I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is. That's a good point.
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scar the 1 posted...Glass_Phantom posted...
scar the 1 posted...
I doubt oligarchs are very loyal to Putin as it is.
They are loyal because they fear him, look at what happened to Khordokovsky. Therefore that loyalty has to be undermined by fear of external sanctions, which hits their self-interest. Putin is a strongman. All strongmen have to appear strong, otherwise they will be overthrown. Sanctions make Putin appear less strong, less in control.
That's a good point.
That's why Putin hates the Magnistsky Act, too. Diminished his power and kept him from making more money.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.Antifar posted...Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
I'm sorry but this is pretty laughable considering the deal.Gojak_v3 posted...Antifar posted...
Glass_Phantom posted...
It's disappointing Bernie wouldn't vote for it.
On the contrary, it's good that he voted not to undermine the Iran Deal, the premier foreign policy accomplishment of the Obama administration
I'm sorry but this is pretty laughable considering the deal.Antifar posted...DoGCyN posted...
I'm uneducated and ignorant. What does it mean to put sanctions on a country? Google is giving 2 different answers.
Generally, to take efforts to impoverish its citizenry.
I feel like you're describing it negatively just because Bernie Sanders voted against it.He has good daygame
- MasterOfMissionsAntifar posted...JohnLennon6 posted...
I feel like you're describing it negatively just because Bernie Sanders voted against it.
This is what sanctions do, though. Our sanctions on Iraq in the 90s resulted in half a million children dying.
They're not supposed to help other nations we're supposed to help ourselves.Oh look, an actual progressive and he makes sense. f*** the establishment. You know what else had very few people opposed to it? The Iraq War.SSJ-Spiderman posted...1337toothbrush posted...
Oh look, an actual progressive and he makes sense. f*** the establishment. You know what else had very few people opposed to it? The Iraq War.
You know who supported the Iraq War?
Hillary Clinton
Yeah, that sucked. It's why she isn't president right now. But I'm very unclear why you brought her up.kin to all that throbsAntifar posted...SSJ-Spiderman posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Oh look, an actual progressive and he makes sense. f*** the establishment. You know what else had very few people opposed to it? The Iraq War.
You know who supported the Iraq War?
Hillary Clinton
Yeah, that sucked. It's why she isn't president right now.
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