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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/08/07/engineer-behind-google-anti-diversity-memo-reportedly-fired/547348001/
he Google engineer who wrote an anti-diversity manifesto that has roiled the company and Silicon Valley has been fired, according to reports.
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America. something something free market
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Fallout from the memo has been so severe that Google CEO Sundar Pichai, who had been traveling in Europe and Africa, cut short his family vacation and told employees he would be back for a town hall meeting Tuesday in order to discuss the incident that's caused an uproar at the company. “To suggest a group of our colleagues have traits that make them less biologically suited to that work is offensive and not OK. It is contrary to our basic values and our Code of Conduct,” he said. Welp see ya later.
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My take:
1. don't go writing manifestos that more or less accuse your coworkers of being unqualified token hires, and especially don't circulate it among colleagues. 2. In general, employees should have unions and collectively-bargained contracts that protect them from being fired on the whims of higher-ups and over dust-ups like this. If you want workers to feel free to express their viewpoints, worker power is the only way to accomplish that. Would that have saved this guy's job? Impossible to say.
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The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.
Skasa posted... Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America. It's only a free speech issue if the author were arrested and charged with social heresy or something. That's not happening here, at least for another three or four years. |
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It's gotta be hilarious for a lotto winner. He could write anything he wanted to on Facebook and not have to worry about getting fired from a job. Would be hilarious to see just out of concept alone.
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more blood on bushes hands
but in all seriousness, the bad press for google was probably what did him in more than anything, seeing as closet neoreactionary perspectives are by no means unheard of in the bay area |
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Skasa posted...
Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America. he said using his free speech in America |
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Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy. Why does anyone need to know his name or identity? He's presumably not a public figure and the manifesto was anonymous right? So he'd either need to go public himself or someone else would leak out his name for some reason. The article does say 'as-yet' so I wonder if they think either of these will happen soon.
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He was probably Asian in some form.
Knowing googles employee demographics this is not unlikely
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Darmik posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy. Because people would have much more to say about him if it was a white guy
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Darmik posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy. Bolded bit, mostly. |
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Bloodychess posted...
Darmik posted...Questionmarktarius posted...The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy. I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows. I think it's better if these people don't get their 15 minutes of fame from these stories. Regardless if they're white or a minority.
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Questionmarktarius posted...
We've got a name. Probable white guy. What is it
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That was a pretty tame read. But if you like your job don't write a paper criticizing your company and give it unwanted media attention. It's basically the kaepernick effect.
It'd be nice if there was more of a push to get women interested in CS/EE in high school and college instead of the media blasting tech companies for not having a gender balance when the pool of talent they hire from is like 80/20 male. |
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/
Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj
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Transcendentia posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/ What a racist and sexist article. |
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JE19426 posted...
Transcendentia posted...https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/ Tomorrow's news: USA Today fires columnist over sexist article. |
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Four scientists respond to memo:
https://web.archive.org/web/20170808013732/http://quillette.com/2017/08/07/google-memo-four-scientists-respond
Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj
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Transcendentia posted...
https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/ He's not wrong.
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Transcendentia posted...
Four scientists respond to memo: "Here, I mainly focus on the reactions to the essay on the Gizmodo site, which indirectly and ironically validate much of the author’s analysis. Very few of the comments actually engage the arguments; they just fling insults and slurs. Yes, slurs. In 1960, the most common slurs were insulting labels for demographic groups. In 2017, the most common slurs involve labelling anyone who you disagree with on issues such as affirmative action, diversity, gaps, and inequality as a racist, sexist, homophobe, or bigot."
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foreveraIone posted...
Transcendentia posted...https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2017/08/07/shut-up-worst-response-google-diversity-memo-dave-mastio-column/545026001/ He is not. Bloodychess posted... Transcendentia posted...Four scientists respond to memo: Yep. It's pretty much a witch hunt.
Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantj
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Questionmarktarius posted...
Darmik posted...I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows. Now that we see it IS a white guy are you guys gonna apologize for your stupid s***posting? |
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CruelBuffalo posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...Darmik posted...I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows. Sure, why not? Should I also apologize for verifying who the guy really is? |
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Apparently he did an undergrad in molecular biology, physics, and chemistry at University of Illinois and a PhD in Systems Biology at Harvard. He also worked as a research scientist at MIT before joining Google.
Looks like he knows a thing or two about the subject matter. The lynch mob dun goofed on this one.Humans are aliens too dumbass - clearaflagrantjTranscendentia posted...Apparently he did an undergrad in molecular biology, physics, and chemistry at University of Illinois and a PhD in Systems Biology at Harvard. He also worked as a research scientist at MIT before joining Google.
Looks like he knows a thing or two about the subject matter. The lynch mob dun goofed on this one.
Well science is a sexist boys club. The narrative has to be pushed.http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg
Always. Edgy.Protip for people working in corporate America: regardless of your social/political views, keep your mouth shut and do your f***ing job.
I bet if this guy just kept his views to himself and did his job (which I bet is entirely unrelated to analyzing the diversity measures of google), he'd be at home now chilling and enjoying the fat Google paychecks instead of applying for COBRAA Green Butter Alt(TM)
http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gifRomulox28 posted...Protip for people working in corporate America: regardless of your social/political views, keep your mouth shut and do your f***ing job.
I bet if this guy just kept his views to himself and did his job (which I bet is entirely unrelated to analyzing the diversity measures of google), he'd be at home now chilling and enjoying the fat Google paychecks instead of applying for COBRA
He's not a stupid person. He knew the risks. I bet he saved a ton of cash in preparation, and he'll certainly get multiple job offers before the week is over.Antifar posted...My take:
1. don't go writing manifestos that more or less accuse your coworkers of being unqualified token hires, and especially don't circulate it among colleagues.
2. In general, employees should have unions and collectively-bargained contracts that protect them from being fired on the whims of higher-ups and over dust-ups like this. If you want workers to feel free to express their viewpoints, worker power is the only way to accomplish that. Would that have saved this guy's job? Impossible to say.
This sounds like water cooler gossip where people guess at who slept their way to their positions.Face it Cloud is a gaming icon and has appered in lots of games while mario has only appeared in 2 games sunshine and 64~xSlashbomBxBehaviorism posted...It's gotta be hilarious for a lotto winner. He could write anything he wanted to on Facebook and not have to worry about getting fired from a job. Would be hilarious to see just out of concept alone.
There are a lot of people that are self-employed and say whatever the f*** they want.
Tommy Sotomayor says some pretty egregious s*** about black women. But he owns his own radio station. He's a self-made millionaire, and he got there by speaking his mind.{}\\{}(o){}\\//{}//=\\{})){}(< \\//{}{{-{}//\\{}
{}xxxxxxxx{};;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;>D34D5P4C3 posted...Romulox28 posted...
Protip for people working in corporate America: regardless of your social/political views, keep your mouth shut and do your f***ing job.
I bet if this guy just kept his views to himself and did his job (which I bet is entirely unrelated to analyzing the diversity measures of google), he'd be at home now chilling and enjoying the fat Google paychecks instead of applying for COBRA
He's not a stupid person. He knew the risks. I bet he saved a ton of cash in preparation, and he'll certainly get multiple job offers before the week is over.
What did he really gain, besides approval from some people on the internet? Because he lost his meal ticketA Green Butter Alt(TM)
http://i.imgur.com/LhwwG.gifRomulox28 posted...D34D5P4C3 posted...
Romulox28 posted...
Protip for people working in corporate America: regardless of your social/political views, keep your mouth shut and do your f***ing job.
I bet if this guy just kept his views to himself and did his job (which I bet is entirely unrelated to analyzing the diversity measures of google), he'd be at home now chilling and enjoying the fat Google paychecks instead of applying for COBRA
He's not a stupid person. He knew the risks. I bet he saved a ton of cash in preparation, and he'll certainly get multiple job offers before the week is over.
What did he really gain, besides approval from some people on the internet? Because he lost his meal ticket
He's going to have multiple job offers before the week ends, plus book and show deals. He didn't lose anything, and he gained a lot by exposing the echo chamber for what it is. The reaction to his memo is pretty much proving he's right about that.Itoldyaso posted...Questionmarktarius posted...
The fact that the "author" remains unnamed suggests this wasn't actually a white guy.
His name is James Damore
And now that someone else spilled the name, here's the Harvard profile:
http://sysbiophd.harvard.edu/people/alumni/james-damoreI still don't understand why he would assume that all his minority colleagues "got lucky" and even posted those thoughts online.
Isn't there such a thing as being a civil human being? Or is that lost nowadays with all the partisan crap that's going on?"I'm an atheist too but still believe in hell. That's where you're headed pal." - Mr_Karate_IIWell he said he wanted a de-emphasis on empathy in engineering. There was no way to take it other than "some of my female and minority colleagues wouldn't be here if google didn't give them a break".
I mean, who could even work with him? Women and minorities wouldn't want to, and the people who agree with him would likely be ostracized by association."I'm not racist but, BLM sure did make me racist." -Skasa
I'm just here to offer you advice, take it or leave it.AdviceMan posted...Well he said he wanted a de-emphasis on empathy in engineering. There was no way to take it other than "some of my female and minority colleagues wouldn't be here if google didn't give them a break".
No, that means the engineer's job is to make it work. The "empathy" bits should have been settled long before the engineers were ever brought in.
https://phys.org/news/2015-11-empathy-faculty.html
An engineer who asks "should this even be done?" won't be an engineer for very long, outside of Star Wars spinoffs.Who the f*** alt's is this nowDarmik posted...Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.
Well now that he's publicly suing Google this is most certainly going to happen now.
It's sad how predictable these stories are.
It's almost like attempting to silence people who you disagree with typically ends up badly for you!The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience.
Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248Sephiroth1288 posted...Darmik posted...
Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.
Well now that he's publicly suing Google this is most certainly going to happen now.
It's sad how predictable these stories are.
It's almost like attempting to silence people who you disagree with typically ends up badly for you!
He was not silenced. He spoke, and he suffered the consequences."The only things I can trust right now are myself and this big gun." - Eric from Zero Time Dilemma
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Garioshi/wishlistSephiroth1288 posted...Darmik posted...
Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.
Well now that he's publicly suing Google this is most certainly going to happen now.
It's sad how predictable these stories are.
It's almost like attempting to silence people who you disagree with typically ends up badly for you!
Well google would have to lose the lawsuit which it won't sooo...Questionmarktarius posted...AdviceMan posted...
Well he said he wanted a de-emphasis on empathy in engineering. There was no way to take it other than "some of my female and minority colleagues wouldn't be here if google didn't give them a break".
No, that means the engineer's job is to make it work. The "empathy" bits should have been settled long before the engineers were ever brought in.
https://phys.org/news/2015-11-empathy-faculty.html
An engineer who asks "should this even be done?" won't be an engineer for very long, outside of Star Wars spinoffs.
Engineers collaborate, at least higher level ones do. Collaboration, especially with people who are not engineers requires a level of empathy and the ability to deal with people. You need to get everyone on the same page and get them doing the same thing, not getting 10 different solutions from 10 different engineers. Making it work? Tons of engineers can do that.
Reasons why a lot of engineers supplement their expertise with other disciplines, so they don't end up just being the low-mid level technical guy who can't climb."I'm not racist but, BLM sure did make me racist." -Skasa
I'm just here to offer you advice, take it or leave it.Sephiroth1288 posted...Darmik posted...
Darmik posted...
I just realized if he was public he'd probably get invited to conservative talk shows.
Well now that he's publicly suing Google this is most certainly going to happen now.
It's sad how predictable these stories are.
It's almost like attempting to silence people who you disagree with typically ends up badly for you!
lol how is this going to end badly for Google?Kind Regards,
Darmikgafemaqs posted...He shouldn't be a bigot. A privileged one at that.
I don't think you know what s bigot is. If anything, the people calling for his termination are the bigots.Skasa posted...Freedom of speech is being eradicated in America.
Only for one group of peopleSephiroth1288 posted...It's almost like attempting to silence people who you disagree with typically ends up badly for you!
Unless you are the president and you attack the first amendment right of a football player.Only for one group of people
See above.Bender: Well, everybody, I just saved a turtle. What have you done with your lives?Questionmarktarius posted...Darmik posted...
lol how is this going to end badly for Google?
"Rabble! rabble! rabble!" for about a week, then an "undisclosed" settlement about a year from now.
I doubt this guy is gonna get a cent from Google outside of his employment.
He'll get a bunch of exposure and donations from conservatives about how much of a victim he is and how bad Google towards guys like him though. Maybe he'll write a book.Kind Regards,
DarmikAdviceMan posted...Questionmarktarius posted...
AdviceMan posted...
Well he said he wanted a de-emphasis on empathy in engineering. There was no way to take it other than "some of my female and minority colleagues wouldn't be here if google didn't give them a break".
No, that means the engineer's job is to make it work. The "empathy" bits should have been settled long before the engineers were ever brought in.
https://phys.org/news/2015-11-empathy-faculty.html
An engineer who asks "should this even be done?" won't be an engineer for very long, outside of Star Wars spinoffs.
Engineers collaborate, at least higher level ones do. Collaboration, especially with people who are not engineers requires a level of empathy and the ability to deal with people. You need to get everyone on the same page and get them doing the same thing, not getting 10 different solutions from 10 different engineers. Making it work? Tons of engineers can do that.
Reasons why a lot of engineers supplement their expertise with other disciplines, so they don't end up just being the low-mid level technical guy who can't climb.
Engineers also have to obey a code of ethics. They are obligated to society and blow the the whistle on wrong doings.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engineering_ethics- Boards
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