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Their worst nightmare came true in Nov 2016 and to top it all off they're so deluded as to think Donald Trump is an idiot and his base are idiots so they're destined to keep losing
Sad really. if only they had the ability to circle back and learn from their mistakes they might have a chance in 2020. But they're making the same errors as always.
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On_The_Edge, get down from there!
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Phantom_Nook posted...
I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot. yusiko posted... Phantom_Nook posted...I've seen Trump do nothing to counter the claim that he's an idiot. This is what I mean. Do you guys want the guy out of the white house or not? Then stop f***ing underestimating him and his base b/c you got your ass handed to you in the election. Have some humility and don't be living embodiments of the dunning kruger effect.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
It's topics like these that truly show how desperate the Trump cult is becoming .... Desperate for what? Trump is president. They have congress. The Trump cult has won.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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On_The_Edge posted...
Yep, point the finger at everyone and everything but themselves.
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UnfairRepresent posted... The Presidency and US congress. Which is what they wanted.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Phantom_Nook posted...
On_The_Edge posted...Then stop f***ing underestimating him Become president of the US despite half the nation hating him
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...It's topics like these that truly show how desperate the Trump cult is becoming No... They don't have Congress first of all. Trump HAD Congress, but squandered that opportunity. His fanbase is desperate for a win. Trump will probably go down in history as a piss poor president who accomplished nothing of value. The guys first piece of major legislation was sanctions he actively tried to stop and stripping himself of the power over future ones. They won the presidency, but the winning kind of stalled there.
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Phantom_Nook posted...
On_The_Edge posted...Then stop f***ing underestimating him He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident. Honestly, idc what you do. Keep thinking he's an idiot, it works out for me. But it's just kind of pitiful.
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On_The_Edge posted...
He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident. Oh goodie, he won. What has he done since then?
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Bullet_Wing posted...
? yes they do. Bullet_Wing posted...
"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there." Well yeah because the thing was over and they got what they wanted.... I don't get your point here.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Phantom_Nook posted...
On_The_Edge posted...He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident. I have no reason to make the case for Trump to you. If you think he's a moron who just stumbled his way into the white house because half the country is stupid, you're entitled to keep losing. It just makes you look really sad to anyone with a brain and some humility.
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Phantom_Nook posted...
On_The_Edge posted...He won an election for the most important position in the world with no prior experience. That alone should give you pause. It doesn't happen by accident. Largely traveled the world and played loads of golf. Living the dream really.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
? yes they do. Not really. Congress is more and more turning against Trump (or more accurately, he's turning them against him), just because Congress is red doesn't mean his supporters won. His supporters aren't necessarily conservative, their plans and viewpoints clash with both Republicans and Democrats. And honestly if you compare simply getting elected with winning a war, you're showing a lack of political understanding
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The point TC is making is that even if you believe Trump to be an idiot, you can't compete against him as if he is. Dismissing Trump and taking the Democrat's victory for granted is a major reason Trump ended up winning.
Now, given that Trump has actually been in office for the better part of a year, it may be reasonable to feel confident that he won't win a re-election. The country is turning on him pretty fast and he's drowning in scandals. Except...the same people telling us how much he's failing are the same people who told us he had no chance to begin with. Not crying "FAKE NEWS!", but a grain of skepticism would be healthy for anyone who wants to vote Trump out in 2020. (Assuming one of his many scandals don't finally stick and get him booted out of office or retired). Even if everything in the news is completely and honestly reported, it may not be representative of what will actually happen. Treat your opponent as a legitimate threat and don't slack off just because you have a low opinion of them.
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We really can't say who did or didn't win until next year's midterms, if all the republicans who are against Trump get ousted by Trump supporting ones then they've truly won, the only thing for certain is that the democrats are only going to lose seats not gain. Trump supporters actually vote and are a dedicated bunch, democrats and liberals are too disorganized, busy rioting and making smug comedy bits to actually vote or actually reach answers to problems. being up on a high horse and acting smug about how you're not as dumb as a trump supporter only sates ego and offers no real solutions, why would anyone vote for that?
That Nazi rally that's happening this weekend? I bet you if something does go down the fault will lie with a liberal group like neo feminists, BLM or anfia or at the very least people will believe it to be the fault of those groups. After all, thanks to all the riots and protests liberals and their ideals are more associated and expected of violence then Nazis,who the last time were on public eye got punched in the face and assaulted. Maybe I'm crazy, maybe I'm just cynical but I truly believe that America is going to be completely under control of the alt-right and Trump supporters for the next eight years and their awful ideals and corruption will be right in our faces but the hatred for liberals will make the public turn a blind and apathetic eye.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
UnfairRepresent posted..."The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there." Pretty well. It was one of the worst proposals of all time and still only lost by 1 vote. Says it all right there.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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They suffer from Post-Traumatic Trump Disorder.
I'm with you, TC. It's a miserable way to live life. No one is going to look back in 30 years and think b****ing about Trump 24/7 was a good use of their time. If anything, it might put their abysmal failure of a life at that point into perspective.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted...UnfairRepresent posted..."The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there." That the vote they've been itching and begging for for 7 years still failed? Yeah, it does say an awful lot.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...
Yeah the Trump Administration is awful but that's not what you asked. You asked why his supporters are desperate which is madness considering they won and are in power. It's like saying the Empire from Star Wars is desperate because they're dumb-dumbs. Yeah the Death Star is a dumb idea but the sheer fact they built it demonstrates how non desperate they are
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"The allies won WW1 but the winning kind of stalled there." If you want to continue the analogy, though, the League of Nations was toothless and inept, and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later. So there wasn't too much winning to be found there either. |
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UnfairRepresent posted...
It's like saying the Empire from Star Wars is desperate because they're dumb-dumbs. No... It's not at all like that. Are you just in one of your contrarian moods or do you actually think winning a war == getting elected? Trump got elected, sure. He's done basically nothing with it.
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The only thing that gives me comfort is that he's an idiot. A person who has his political views but actually knew how to do the job would be devastating. Thank God he'd rather play golf and tweet than run the nation.
He doesn't deserve respect or humility, he deserves the same kind of vitriol and hatred that he spews on a daily f***ing basis.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later. You're joking right Ferdinand Foch? The Treaty of Versailles was too harsh. That's what led to WW2. They pretty much solely blamed Germany for what was the stupidest most pointless war of all time for all concerned and crippled them. Then acted surprised when that attitude backfired.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later. The Weimar government intentionally crippled its own economy in an attempt to get out of paying reparations. The idea that the treaty was responsible for the German economic problems is widespread, but it's still just a misconception. |
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UnfairRepresent posted...
3rd_Best_Master posted... They're in power and have managed to do little more than force Trump to sign a bill he didn't even want to. The winning sure is palpable.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...UnholyMudcrab posted...and the Treaty of Versailles wasn't harsh enough to prevent Germany from just doing the same thing again twenty years later. OH please. This is nonsense. "Sure the treaty was ridiclous and harsh but because it was ridiclous and harsh they tried to get out of it and therefore it should have been MORE ridiclous and MORE harsh!" is the logic of a rabid bunny biting a wolf. WW1 wasn't like WW2. It wasn't as black and white. It was a whole bunch of imperalistic asshats itching for a fight for their own gain that got hilariously out of hand. If anything it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire who were most to blamed followed by a whole round of "Well if you do that then I'll do this." You think the end of WW1 should have been French/Russian/English occupation of Germany? That would have been a Catastrophe
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The only only thing Trump winning did was speed up the process of a Republican winning in 2020. Had Hillary won, especially if it was close and those 3 states that were coin flips land the other way, I guarantee she loses to the establishment Republican in 2020, assuming Trump doesn't run again, probably Pence tbh.
But because Trump is so polarizing, I think the Democrats stand a far better chance in 2020 than they would have had Clinton won. It's hard to say prior to 2018 midterms if it'll last, but seeing the numbers for the special elections so far it's going to be close. Trump, and other Republicans, won due to promising jobs back to the rust belt and people's anger with the ACA. If they don't deliver on those the swing voters will remember, period |
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UnfairRepresent posted...
This is nonsense. "Sure the treaty was ridiclous and harsh but because it was ridiclous and harsh they tried to get out of it and therefore it should have been MORE ridiclous and MORE harsh!" is the logic of a rabid bunny biting a wolf. Enough with the hyperbole, it does you no favors. The Germans sabotaged their economy because they didn't want to pay the reparations, not because they weren't capable of doing so. If anything it was the Austro-Hungarian Empire who were most to blamed followed by a whole round of "Well if you do that then I'll do this." The German "blank check" gave Austria the backing to invade Serbia in the face of Russian promises to defend the Serbs. Without that German support, Austria wouldn't have acted anywhere nearly as boldly. You think the end of WW1 should have been French/Russian/English occupation of Germany? It should have been something. Germany occupied nearly the entirety of Belgium and the most industrialized and populated regions of France for four years, and after all that, the war ended before it even crossed into German territory and France got to occupy the Saarland for fifteen years. Oh, won't someone think of poor Germany? |
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
No s***, it's almost like the Central powers were allies or something. UnholyMudcrab posted...
Oh for f*** sake. UnholyMudcrab posted... The Germans sabotaged their economy because they didn't want to pay the reparations, not because they weren't capable of doing so. 1. That's debatable to begin with. 2. No s*** they didn't want to pay the reperations. You're acting like the war and damaged was caused by Germany and they owed it to everyone to fix everything. WW1 wasn't that simple. Every nation involved acted like an idiot and every nation had blood on their hands. Trying to pawn it off on Germany just because they lost was stupid. It was stupid then, now in the 21st century approaching 100 years later, claiming it didn't go far enough goes beyond stupid.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Well Obama haters were in hell for eight years.UnfairRepresent posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...It's topics like these that truly show how desperate the Trump cult is becoming And yet they still can't complete their goals.
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creativerealms posted...
If you say so. I'd say becoming president and having congress are two big goals completed. The US is out of TPP Construction of the wall has begun He has curbed immigration and given more power to ICE to deport. Their goals seem fine to me.
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To get back on topic, I don't think Trump supporters should be as gleeful as TC is.
Yes Trump won, and continues to have hardcore support from most of his base, but it hasn't gotten him very far. There is currently a special investigator who is certainly going further than "Russia hacked the elections for Trump," enough to get a grand jury involved. Obviously we'll have to wait to see how this pans out, but we haven't really had this happen or have someone as well-regarded as Mueller be in charge of this. Also Trump has had zero legislative success. His biggest achievement legislatively happens to be the Russian Sanctions, something he said he didn't want to happen. His approval rating has steadily gone down. He didn't even get to have a honeymoon period of relative hope. Even solid republicans in congress are sort of doing things that don't jive with his administration. Nothing outright, but still sowing the seeds. Constant turn around in the White House. How many people has he fired? How many people have resigned? Legal battles against states and watchdog groups. A lot of the things he's trying keep on getting struck down in court. He's not really succeeding. Right now 2018 is stacked against Democrats due to most of the people who are up for re-election are in red states, but 2020 doesn't look bad for democrats. Should people underestimate Trump? No. But he hasn't really done anything to really worry anyone. He spends most of time vacationing and getting literal FAKE NEWS read to him, all the white making money off of taxpayers. If anyone should be cautioned about realistic standards and pitied, it should be his supporters like you who are overestimating him. |
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I pity anyone who supports Trump. It's probably hard to live without a brain.
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UnfairRepresent posted...
No s***, it's almost like the Central powers were allies or something. The Triple Alliance was explicitly defensive in nature. That's the reason Italy didn't go to war on the side of the Central Powers and later joined the Entente. No s*** they didn't want to pay the reperations. You're acting like the war and damaged was caused by Germany and they owed it to everyone to fix everything. The damage was caused by Germany, and the war happened because of Germany's backing of the Austrians. They occupied Belgium. They occupied northern France. They bailed out the Austrians in the Balkans, in Romania, and in Italy. They tore the Russian Empire apart and convinced the Entente that the war couldn't be ended except through surrender. What do you gain from trying to minimize Germany's responsibility here? |
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The Triple Alliance was explicitly defensive in nature. That's the reason Italy didn't go to war on the side of the Central Powers and later joined the Entente.
Greece was immensely split with a government that supported the Central Powers.
In fact it was the Alliance who stomped on their neutrality (the same thing you are angry at the powers for doing)
Greece joined the Alliance out of reluctant necessity not out of passionate belief in defense.
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The damage was caused by Germany, and the war happened because of Germany's backing of the Austrians.
This is an absurd oversimplification.
Russia was the first to moblize, which is what terrified people because once Russia and the railroads improved, Austro-Hungary dominating the Balkans would have become impossible.
Germany were allied with Austro-Hungary but didn't want them to go to war over the Balkans. They especially didn't want to fight Russia.
Russia was going "We want that."
Austro-Hungary was going "We want that."
France was going "IF you try to take that we get you."
Germany was going "If you try to stop that we get you."
And England was going "If you try to go through Belgium to stop France Stopping you we'll stop you."
It was a clusterf*** of stupid imperialistic alliances and self-interests falling off a cliff. Where every side (except Belgium) was chopping at the bit for a war.
You had 3 Empires that wanted to grow and you had Russia that desperately wanted not to suck. With conflicts colliding across the globe.
Going "Germany started it they're the villains." is just kool-aid drinking.
I'd argue that it's literally impossible to blame one nation for causing WW1, (IMO the stupidest and most pointless war in history) but if you HAD to, it would be Austro-Hungary or Russia. Austro-Hungary for being the biggest pro-war idiots of them all despite being incompotent and Russia for being needlessly confrontational and esclating everything. Certainly not Germany or the UK.
And this is just the origins of the war, before you get to what happened with the Ottoman Empire and blockade.
Pinning the war on Germany was a propaganda play for imperialistic reasons and one that backfired horribly. It's absurd to defend that in the 21st century.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgUnholyMudcrab posted...What do you gain from trying to minimize Germany's responsibility here?
Well for a start honesty and truth.
But I am not minimizing anything, Germany were complete imperalistic dicks. You're trying to pin a complex basket of dicks on one dick.
Which is absurd.
Germany were the most efficent nation in the war in terms of fighting, that doesn't mean they were the cause, let alone the sole cause of the conflict.
There was plenty of blame to go around with Russia, Germany, Austro-Hungary, The UK and France all spoiling for a war basically for the sake of it. And the Treaty of Versailles was ridiclous. Which WAS one of the biggest causes of WW2. Undeniably I'd say.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgMasterMacLeod posted...On_The_Edge posted...
Then stop f***ing underestimating him and his base b/c you got your ass handed to you in the election.
No we didn't.
Isn't it funny? Trump won PA/MI/WI by .72%/.23%/.77% respectively, but oh no, it was an "ass kicking blowout loss".The Admiral posted...They suffer from Post-Traumatic Trump Disorder.
I'm with you, TC. It's a miserable way to live life. No one is going to look back in 30 years and think b****ing about Trump 24/7 was a good use of their time. If anything, it might put their abysmal failure of a life at that point into perspective.
As oppossed to the great success of spending literal years arguing with people on gamefaqs.Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy sceneThe Great Muta 22 posted...MasterMacLeod posted...
On_The_Edge posted...
Then stop f***ing underestimating him and his base b/c you got your ass handed to you in the election.
No we didn't.
Isn't it funny? Trump won PA/MI/WI by .72%/.23%/.77% respectively, but oh no, it was an "ass kicking blowout loss".
that's because Trump has been constantly saying that and his base eats it up, as we see here. he, and his supporters, are literally delusional and don't exist on the same plane of reality as the rest of us.Now Playing: Horizon: Zero Dawn (PS4)
(~);} - Get out the pans, don't just stand there dreamin' - {;(~)UnfairRepresent posted...UnholyMudcrab posted...
The Triple Alliance was explicitly defensive in nature. That's the reason Italy didn't go to war on the side of the Central Powers and later joined the Entente.
Greece was immensely split with a government that supported the Central Powers.
In fact it was the Alliance who stomped on their neutrality (the same thing you are angry at the powers for doing)
Greece joined the Alliance out of reluctant necessity not out of passionate belief in defense.
UnholyMudcrab posted...
The damage was caused by Germany, and the war happened because of Germany's backing of the Austrians.
This is an absurd oversimplification.
Russia was the first to moblize, which is what terrified people because once Russia and the railroads improved, Austro-Hungary dominating the Balkans would have become impossible.
Germany were allied with Austro-Hungary but didn't want them to go to war over the Balkans. They especially didn't want to fight Russia.
Russia was going "We want that."
Austro-Hungary was going "We want that."
France was going "IF you try to take that we get you."
Germany was going "If you try to stop that we get you."
And England was going "If you try to go through Belgium to stop France Stopping you we'll stop you."
It was a clusterf*** of stupid imperialistic alliances and self-interests falling off a cliff. Where every side (except Belgium) was chopping at the bit for a war.
You had 3 Empires that wanted to grow and you had Russia that desperately wanted not to suck. With conflicts colliding across the globe.
Going "Germany started it they're the villains." is just kool-aid drinking.
I'd argue that it's literally impossible to blame one nation for causing WW1, (IMO the stupidest and most pointless war in history) but if you HAD to, it would be Austro-Hungary or Russia. Austro-Hungary for being the biggest pro-war idiots of them all despite being incompotent and Russia for being needlessly confrontational and esclating everything. Certainly not Germany or the UK.
And this is just the origins of the war, before you get to what happened with the Ottoman Empire and blockade.
Pinning the war on Germany was a propaganda play for imperialistic reasons and one that backfired horribly. It's absurd to defend that in the 21st century.
Not a bad post, but Germany absolutely did want war with Russia. They wanted to knock them down a peg before they became too industrialized.Cowboy Dan's a major player in the cowboy sceneRussia mobilized the earliest because of the sheer scale of the effort required and because the Austrians weren't willing to back down because the blank check had already long been written by Germany at that point. It's also worth noting that the Russian mobilization came in two stages. The first was only a partial mobilization, for a war against Austria, and the German declaration of war came when Russia upgraded to a full mobilization because a partial mobilization wasn't feasible.
Russia stepped in to defend the Serbs because they considered themselves the defenders of the Slavs, but had failed to come to the defense of Serbia in the Balkan Wars leading up to WWI. In the Russian view, they had to put their foot down this time, because the diplomatic loss of face had they failed Serbia for a second time would have been immense.
Also, what did Greece have to do with anything? I never mentioned Greece.AlisLandale posted...The point TC is making is that even if you believe Trump to be an idiot, you can't compete against him as if he is. Dismissing Trump and taking the Democrat's victory for granted is a major reason Trump ended up winning.
Now, given that Trump has actually been in office for the better part of a year, it may be reasonable to feel confident that he won't win a re-election. The country is turning on him pretty fast and he's drowning in scandals. Except...the same people telling us how much he's failing are the same people who told us he had no chance to begin with.
Not crying "FAKE NEWS!", but a grain of skepticism would be healthy for anyone who wants to vote Trump out in 2020. (Assuming one of his many scandals don't finally stick and get him booted out of office or retired). Even if everything in the news is completely and honestly reported, it may not be representative of what will actually happen. Treat your opponent as a legitimate threat and don't slack off just because you have a low opinion of them.
This 100%.
You can ignore the TC for obvious reasons, whether the TC is joking or serious its hard to tell.
However this quote above here is 100% true. I hear to many already writing Trump off for 2020 and those people are going to be the reason he wins again as its why he won 2016.
Sane people agree Trump is a joke, however if you plan to get a sane person in the white house 2020 regardless of the party you support, take Trump far more seriously. His cult will give him the victory once again.NadYobWoc posted...
Not a bad post, but Germany absolutely did want war with Russia. They wanted to knock them down a peg before they became too industrialized.
UnholyMudcrab posted...ussia mobilized the earliest because of the sheer scale of the effort required and because the Austrians weren't willing to back down because the blank check had already long been written by Germany at that point.
This is literally a falsehood.
While Austro Hungary was pushing for war Archduke Franz Ferdinand was against it and despite war mongering the war only became a thing when he got assasinated. Which was after Russian moblization.
The Russians esclated everything beyond words and plots.
Secondly Germany absolutely did not want War with Russia. Putting aside Wilhelm II and Nicholas II's friendship even back in WW1 Germany did not want a war on two fronts and knew that if war did occur over the Balkans France would get involved.
They banked entirely on Austro-Hungary not going to war and then after that happened they banked on England not caring about Belgium being invaded to smack France up. They wanted to knock France out of the war, the UK to stay out of it and then if needed they would fight Russia but mainly they would beef up their empire and become the threat to the British that Wilihelm dreamed of being.
They were wrong on both fronts but to pretend Germany wanted to fight Russia and they wanted Austro-Hungary to declare war on the Balkans is a literal falsehood.
That just is not true.
UnholyMudcrab posted...
Russia stepped in to defend the Serbs because they considered themselves the defenders of the Slavs, but had failed to come to the defense of Serbia in the Balkan Wars leading up to WWI. In the Russian view, they had to put their foot down this time, because the diplomatic loss of face had they failed Serbia for a second time would have been immense.
Russia wanted to defend the Serbs because it was in Russian interests to do so and they moblized first.
Going "Well Russia did it, they they only did it to save face! (which I pointed out myself) so therefore Germany is to blame not Russia for Russian moblization and Austro-Hungary starting a war!" is comical.
Russia, Germany, France, The UK and the Austro-Hungarian Empire were all acting in their own interests in ham-fisted attempts to expand or grow in power and they all desired war, Autro-Hungary especially.
That's why the war was so stupid and so pointless on every level. No nation was prepared for it. Nothing was really on the line that demanded humanitarian intervention, no one was doing anything to justify a war and the people/soldiers involved suffered immeasurably.
It was 3 empires that all wanted more power, 1 nation that wanted to be an empire and the suckers caught inbetween them all having a big punch up.
It was so so so stupid to throw ALL of it at the feet of Germany and then complain that Germany wasn't occupied and demand that WW2 occured because the allies were too NICE to Germany following WW1 is just... silly.. It's really really silly.^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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http://i.imgur.com/mPvcy.pngUnfairRepresent posted...While Austro Hungary was pushing for war Archduke Franz Ferdinand was against it and despite war mongering the war only became a thing when he got assasinated. Which was after Russian moblization.
Franz Ferdinand was assassinated on 28 June. Russian mobilization began on 29 July, an entire month later.The Russians esclated everything beyond words and plots.
By doing what, exactly? Honoring their word by mobilizing when Austria declared war on Serbia?Secondly Germany absolutely did not want War with Russia. Putting aside Wilhelm II and Nicholas II's friendship even back in WW1 Germany did not want a war on two fronts and knew that if war did occur over the Balkans France would get involved.
They banked entirely on Austro-Hungary not going to war and then after that happened they banked on England not caring about Belgium being invaded to smack France up. They wanted to knock France out of the war, the UK to stay out of it and then if needed they would fight Russia but mainly they would beef up their empire and become the threat to the British that Wilihelm dreamed of being.
Wilhelm and Nicholas were cousins and friends, but it didn't help. Neither was a particularly strong ruler, and neither was adept at handling the developing situation. Both changed their minds numerous times on the month leading up to the breakout of war. They were controlled by their advisors, and their advisors were pushing towards war.They were wrong on both fronts but to pretend Germany wanted to fight Russia and they wanted Austro-Hungary to declare war on the Balkans is a literal falsehood.
Then why did they offer the blank check to Austria, and why did they encourage Austria to escalate after the Serbians rejected the Austrian ultimatum?It was so so so stupid to throw ALL of it at the feet of Germany and then complain that Germany wasn't occupied and demand that WW2 occured because the allies were too NICE to Germany following WW1 is just... silly.. It's really really silly.
That was never my argument. My argument was that the treaty did little to actually prevent a German remilitarization, and specifically that the reparations were hardly as harsh on the Germans as the common belief would hold.Doom_Art posted...why are you people humoring Unfair?
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I know I probably shouldn't, but I like this subject- Boards
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- Donald Trump haters are in a kind of hell and I pity them
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