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FBI conducted predawn raid of former Trump campaign chairman Manaforts home

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ChainedRedone 7 hours ago#1
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/fbi-conducted-predawn-raid-of-former-trump-campaign-chairman-manaforts-home/2017/08/09/5879fa9c-7c45-11e7-9d08-b79f191668ed_story.html?tid=ss_tw-amp&utm_term=.3ef7f1551d19

FBI agents raided the Alexandria home of President Trump's former campaign chairman late last month, using a search warrant to seize documents and other materials, according to people familiar with the special counsel investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 election.

Federal agents appeared at Paul Manafort's home without advance warning in the predawn hours of July 26, the day after he met voluntarily with the staff for the Senate Intelligence Committee.

The search warrant was wide-ranging and FBI agents working with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III departed the home with various records.

The raid came as Manafort has been voluntarily producing documents to congressional committees investigating Russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. The search warrant indicates investigators may have argued to a federal judge they had reason to believe Manafort could not be trusted to turn over all records in response to a grand jury subpoena.

It could also have been intended to send a message to President Trump's former campaign chairman that he should not expect gentle treatment or legal courtesies from Mueller's team.

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Darkman124 7 hours ago#2
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ChromaticAngel 7 hours ago#4
lets get some s*** out of the way right now.

Caution: "lol nothing burger"
Mal_Fet: "this is an illegal search with no justification. Why didn't they raid Hillary like this?"
Southcoast: *incoherent screaming*
iosifsvoboda 7 hours ago#5
Mueller is goin in hard
^_^
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CableZL 7 hours ago#6
Antifar 7 hours ago#7
Wonder how this would be reported on if it were happening in, say, a South American country.
kin to all that throbs
StucklnMyPants 7 hours ago#8
iosifsvoboda posted...
Mueller is goin in hard
The first principle is that you must not fool yourself --- and you are the easiest person to fool.
ChromaticAngel 7 hours ago#9
Antifar posted...
Wonder how this would be reported on if it were happening in, say, a South American country.


I think people in a certain south american country would be partying if the federal government was raiding the homes of people who supported and assisted with the dictator's rise to power.
BootyGif 7 hours ago#10
StucklnMyPants posted...
iosifsvoboda posted...
Mueller is goin in hard
Antifar posted...
Wonder how this would be reported on if it were happening in, say, a South American country.


Probably in Portuguese
ChainedRedone 7 hours ago#12
It's interesting to note the raid was done last month. Just goes to show you how well Mueller's team can keep FBI raids under the radar when Trump can't even keep simple comments from leaking to the press.
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CableZL 7 hours ago#14
Bloodychess posted...
Or Venezuela


FBI raids home of family that fled country months ago due to lack of food
k darkfire 7 hours ago#15
Again, this is nothing. Manafort may be the only person in trouble and that was due to lying to the FBI and Trump. If this were anything serious we'd of know about it ages ago. Once again liberals fail.
foreveraIone 7 hours ago#16
Can anyone tldr whats going on with this guy?

I can't keep up with the drama
GOATTHlEF 7 hours ago#17
foreveraIone posted...
Can anyone tldr whats going on with this guy?

I can't keep up with the drama


Trump administration scapegoated him early on to try and dodge the Russia collusion dramaplosion and now he's getting hit extra hard in the hopes that he'll spill the beans.
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k darkfire 7 hours ago#18
foreveraIone posted...
Can anyone tldr whats going on with this guy?

I can't keep up with the drama


tl;dr Manafort is a cuck and liar and liberals think Trump is an evil mastermind.
foreveraIone 7 hours ago#19
GOATTHlEF posted...
foreveraIone posted...
Can anyone tldr whats going on with this guy?

I can't keep up with the drama


Trump administration scapegoated him early on to try and dodge the Russia collusion dramaplosion and now he's getting hit extra hard in the hopes that he'll spill the beans.

Wow thanks goatthief.
Ur such a cool guy.
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BootyGif 6 hours ago#21
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Nothingburgers nothingburger the nothingburger of Nothingburgers campaign chairman Nothingburger in predawn Nothingburger.

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The Admiral 6 hours ago#22
The documents included materials Manafort had already provided to Congress, said people familiar with the search.


So they didn't find anything he hadn't already voluntarily turned over, and this was mainly a symbolic gesture.

Been several months and hundreds of thousands of words about Russia, and still not one single, credible thread of wrongdoing. Almost staggering.
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Balrog0 6 hours ago#23
The Admiral posted...
and still not one single, credible thread of wrongdoing.


yeesh
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k darkfire 6 hours ago#24
The Admiral posted...
The documents included materials Manafort had already provided to Congress, said people familiar with the search.


So they didn't find anything he hadn't already voluntarily turned over, and this was mainly a symbolic gesture.

Been several months and hundreds of thousands of words about Russia, and still not one single, credible thread of wrongdoing. Almost staggering.


"It'll happen anyday now"! Trump is going down!"

Trump will win a second term and a republican will win again after him.This is the end of the democrats and the evil liberal ideology. America will only be stronger after this.
k darkfire posted...
Again, this is nothing. Manafort may be the only person in trouble and that was due to lying to the FBI and Trump. If this were anything serious we'd of know about it ages ago. Once again liberals fail.

once again the public school system has failed another conservatroll

k darkfire posted...
Trump will win a second term

lol

if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.
k darkfire 6 hours ago#26
-yawn- It failed because, I resisted the liberal indoctrination that is the American public school system.
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The Admiral posted...

So they didn't find anything he hadn't already voluntarily turned over, and this was mainly a symbolic gesture.


You do realize that statement doesn't mean the only documents found were the ones he already handed over, correct?

Nice spin attempt though
k darkfire 6 hours ago#29
The Great Muta 22 posted...
The Admiral posted...

So they didn't find anything he hadn't already voluntarily turned over, and this was mainly a symbolic gesture.


You do realize that statement doesn't mean the only documents found were the ones he already handed over, correct?

Nice spin attempt though


You've spun right back into your ass as you realize he's right.
The Admiral 6 hours ago#30
DuranOfForcena posted...
if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.


Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again?

I didn't think Trump was going to win either, but I wasn't stupid enough to make a declaration like this. And it's even less excusable to be stupid enough to continue to make arrogant declarations like this when you've literally been wrong about everything up to now.
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k darkfire 6 hours ago#31
Admiral laying the smack-down on this thread. God bless him.
BootyGif 6 hours ago#32
Lol this s***post
voldothegr8 6 hours ago#33
ChromaticAngel posted...
lets get some s*** out of the way right now.

Caution: "lol nothing burger"
Mal_Fet: "this is an illegal search with no justification. Why didn't they raid Hillary like this?"
Southcoast: *incoherent screaming*

Assassinating characters before they even post, sad!
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FrenchCrunch 6 hours ago#34
The Admiral posted...
Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again? 

there are different reasons for people saying it this time. how are they comparable?
The Admiral posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.


Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again?

I didn't think Trump was going to win either, but I wasn't stupid enough to make a declaration like this. And it's even less excusable to be stupid enough to continue to make arrogant declarations like this when you've literally been wrong about everything up to now.

what have i been wrong about? what the f*** are you talking about?

do you understand how low Trump's approval rating is? do you understand how many republicans realized what a terrible f***ing mistake it was voting for him in the first place?
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k darkfire 6 hours ago#37
DuranOfForcena posted...
The Admiral posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.


Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again?

I didn't think Trump was going to win either, but I wasn't stupid enough to make a declaration like this. And it's even less excusable to be stupid enough to continue to make arrogant declarations like this when you've literally been wrong about everything up to now.

what have i been wrong about? what the f*** are you talking about?

do you understand how low Trump's approval rating is? do you understand how many republicans realized what a terrible f***ing mistake it was voting for him in the first place?


Trumps low approval ratings mean nothing. He's got high support among Republicans. Trump is idolized by a large portion of Americans.

FrenchCrunch posted...
The Admiral posted...
Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again? 

there are different reasons for people saying it this time. how are they comparable?


Always an excuse.
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k darkfire posted...
He's got high support among Republicans.

no, he doesn't. that's the entire f***ing point.

why don't you run off and go play outside. the adults are talking.
FrenchCrunch 6 hours ago#39
k darkfire posted...
Always an excuse.

how is that an excuse >_>
k darkfire 6 hours ago#40
DuranOfForcena posted...
k darkfire posted...
He's got high support among Republicans.

no, he doesn't. that's the entire f***ing point.

why don't you run off and go play outside. the adults are talking.


Sad. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16085892/trump-support-battleground-districts

Close congressional districts are close because they contain an even mix of people from both sides of the aisle. Opinions about the president are extremely polarized by political affiliation — among Republicans and right-leaning independents, the Trump approval rate remains well over 80 percent. Among Democrats and left-leaning independents, the approval rate is less than 10 percent. [...]

Here’s the bad news for Democrats: Republicans in close Republican districts remain upbeat about Trump. There, approval rates appear to have dipped from 91 to 89 percent, but it’s a difference that is too small to be statistically significant.

Again, the phenomenon is easier to see when we look at those whose are especially enthusiastic about the president. In close Democratic districts, the percentage of Republicans who say they “strongly” approve of the president fell dramatically, from 59 percent in the first three months of his term to 51 percent in the most recent three months.

But among Republicans living in close Republican districts, the rate of enthusiastic Trump supporters has held at around 56 percent. That contrasts with what’s happening in solid Republican districts, where the rate of Republicans who strongly approve of the president has fallen from 61 percent to 56 percent.
k darkfire posted...
You've spun right back into your ass as you realize he's right


Lol you're in overdrive on two boards arguing that this means nothing and I'm the one spinning?

Point still stands, you can't infer that statement to mean what Admiral said, no matter how hard you try
k darkfire posted...
Sad. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16085892/trump-support-battleground-districts

why the f*** are you so brainlessly under the orange buffoon's spell anyway? do you honestly think he's a good president?
k darkfire 6 hours ago#43
DuranOfForcena posted...
k darkfire posted...
Sad. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16085892/trump-support-battleground-districts

why the f*** are you so brainlessly under the orange buffoon's spell anyway? do you honestly think he's a good president?


He's my idol. He's done an outstanding job. Economy soaring, jobs, jobs, jobs.
BLAKUboy 6 hours ago#44
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UnholyMudcrab 6 hours ago#45
FrenchCrunch 6 hours ago#46
k darkfire posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
k darkfire posted...
Sad. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/8/4/16085892/trump-support-battleground-districts

why the f*** are you so brainlessly under the orange buffoon's spell anyway? do you honestly think he's a good president?


He's my idol. He's done an outstanding job. Economy soaring, jobs, jobs, jobs.

isnt that obama's doing, thanks to the trends set under his terms and the fact that his fiscal year isnt up until october? i see trump having an effect on the stock market but not anything else
k darkfire 6 hours ago#47
UnholyMudcrab posted...
This is some impressively low-quality trolling.


And yet you still reply. What does that say about you?
ChainedRedone 5 hours ago#48
k darkfire posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
This is some impressively low-quality trolling.


And yet you still reply. What does that say about you?


He didn't reply, he made a statement.
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Capn Circus 4 hours ago#49
NoDuranOfForcena posted...
The Admiral posted...
DuranOfForcena posted...
if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.


Half this board was saying this a year ago, just swapping a re-elected for elected. Remind me how that turned out again?

I didn't think Trump was going to win either, but I wasn't stupid enough to make a declaration like this. And it's even less excusable to be stupid enough to continue to make arrogant declarations like this when you've literally been wrong about everything up to now.

what have i been wrong about? what the f*** are you talking about?

do you understand how low Trump's approval rating is? do you understand how many republicans realized what a terrible f***ing mistake it was voting for him in the first place?


And a year ago he was 10 points lower in the polls, never going to win, a joke, impossible to beat Hillary, etc

Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

The saddest part is the election is basically 4 years away. But, sure, I'll listen to some leftists about how he will never win again and it's impossible
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hollow_shrine 4 hours ago#50
One year after he got exposed and broke headlines. Over a year after that Eastern European dictator self-exiled and someone rifled through his financial records to find Manafort on his pay roll?

We're really on a ball here, aren't we? Seems like this should have happened a year ago and didn't because people didn't want to mess with the election. A year later though, are we sure this isn't just for show?
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    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time
    The Admiral 9 hours ago#52
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Wrong

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/
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    scar the 1 9 hours ago#53
    k darkfire posted...
    jobs, jobs, jobs.

    JOBS JOBS JOBS
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    iosifsvoboda 9 hours ago#54
    Fake news everybody
    ^_^
    DreadedWave 9 hours ago#55
    Manafort is a cool name.
    Capn Circus 9 hours ago#56
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Are you suggesting that the few Republicans who regret voting for him can't have their opinions changed over several years?

    Trump can't gain anymore popularity within those years?

    Making an absolute statement like that this early in the game is pretty foolish. But, then again, so is continuing to double down on Trump losing after he continued to prove everyone wrong.

    "He will drop out soon" "He won't get 20 percent" "He won't get 30 percent" "He won't get the nomination" "He won't beat Hillary"
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    iPhone_7 9 hours ago#57
    CNN made up the whole Russia thing. The FBI is working with the Clinton News Network to bring down Trump and his friends. This is unconstitutional!
    Capn Circus 9 hours ago#58
    iPhone_7 posted...
    CNN made up the whole Russia thing. The FBI is working with the Clinton News Network to bring down Trump and his friends. This is unconstitutional!


    Wouldn't be the first time CNN worked with outside forces. They Colluded with the DNC and fed Hillary questions
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    thronedfire2 8 hours ago#59
    Capn Circus posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Are you suggesting that the few Republicans who regret voting for him can't have their opinions changed over several years?

    Trump can't gain anymore popularity within those years?

    Making an absolute statement like that this early in the game is pretty foolish. But, then again, so is continuing to double down on Trump losing after he continued to prove everyone wrong.

    "He will drop out soon" "He won't get 20 percent" "He won't get 30 percent" "He won't get the nomination" "He won't beat Hillary"


    Well, he doesn't really have any more room to lose popularity in those few years
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    OctilIery 8 hours ago#60
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.

    This. He might be replaced by another republican if democrats don't get their s*** together, but I don't see him winning another term.
    voldothegr8 8 hours ago#61
    OctilIery posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    if you seriously believe Trump has any hope whatsoever of getting re-elected, then you have no chance in life.

    This. He might be replaced by another republican if democrats don't get their s*** together, but I don't see him winning another term.

    You're only right because the Rock is about to step in and kick some political roody poo candy asses.
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    FrenchCrunch 8 hours ago#62
    The Admiral posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Wrong

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/

    thats from march man cmon
    NadYobWoc 8 hours ago#63
    FrenchCrunch posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Wrong

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/

    thats from march man cmon

    lol
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    Samurontai 7 hours ago#64
    FrenchCrunch posted...
    The Admiral posted...
    DuranOfForcena posted...
    Capn Circus posted...
    Admiral's right. People should at least learn their lesson after spewing "I know it will never happen!" talk and then absolutely eating crow.

    the difference is the amount of republicans who voted him into office in the first place that regret their decision and absolutely won't be voting for him a second time


    Wrong

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/03/22/how-many-trump-voters-really-regret-their-votes/

    thats from march man cmon


    Lmao
    Antifar 7 hours ago#65
    Here's a more recent poll on Trump's approval among Republicans
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-08-08/trump-says-his-base-is-stronger-than-ever-but-polls-show-strong-approval-slipping
    In the survey taken Aug. 3-6, the number of Republicans who say they strongly approve of Trump's job performance has dropped to 59 percent, 14 points down from February.

    The drop is significantly driven by disillusionment among whites without a college degree, a group that was key to Trump's victory in November. In February, 47 percent of non-college whites said they strongly approved of the president's job performance; now, just 35 percent say the same.

    When taking into account all respondents, Trump's strong approval in August is 24 percent, a drop of 9 points from February. Meanwhile, 47 percent say they disapprove strongly, a figure that has increased 4 points in the first six months of Trump's presidency.
    ...
    Even it if decreasing in fervency, Trump's support among Republicans remains relatively normal, with 83 percent of Republicans saying they approve of the president's job performance in the latest CNN poll.

    But some research indicates those numbers may also be softer than they appear.

    A working paper published by Emory University suggests that party identification may be artificially inflating Trump's support among Republicans, in that those who previously identified as Republicans may stop doing so over their disapproval of Trump. The paper cites Gallup data finding a 4-point drop in the Republican Party identification since the election – people who the polls would "miss" because they don't track how individuals' opinions change over time.


    tl;dr: still quite good, but it has declined since the election, and so has the number of people who identify as Republicans.
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    Samurontai 7 hours ago#66
    Antifar posted...
    Here's a more recent poll on Trump's approval among Republicans
    https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2017-08-08/trump-says-his-base-is-stronger-than-ever-but-polls-show-strong-approval-slipping
    In the survey taken Aug. 3-6, the number of Republicans who say they strongly approve of Trump's job performance has dropped to 59 percent, 14 points down from February.

    The drop is significantly driven by disillusionment among whites without a college degree, a group that was key to Trump's victory in November. In February, 47 percent of non-college whites said they strongly approved of the president's job performance; now, just 35 percent say the same.

    When taking into account all respondents, Trump's strong approval in August is 24 percent, a drop of 9 points from February. Meanwhile, 47 percent say they disapprove strongly, a figure that has increased 4 points in the first six months of Trump's presidency.
    ...
    Even it if decreasing in fervency, Trump's support among Republicans remains relatively normal, with 83 percent of Republicans saying they approve of the president's job performance in the latest CNN poll.

    But some research indicates those numbers may also be softer than they appear.

    A working paper published by Emory University suggests that party identification may be artificially inflating Trump's support among Republicans, in that those who previously identified as Republicans may stop doing so over their disapproval of Trump. The paper cites Gallup data finding a 4-point drop in the Republican Party identification since the election – people who the polls would "miss" because they don't track how individuals' opinions change over time.


    Nice
    Autocraticus 7 hours ago#67
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    NadYobWoc 7 hours ago#68
    The Admiral posted...
    The documents included materials Manafort had already provided to Congress, said people familiar with the search.


    So they didn't find anything he hadn't already voluntarily turned over, and this was mainly a symbolic gesture.

    Been several months and hundreds of thousands of words about Russia, and still not one single, credible thread of wrongdoing. Almost staggering.

    So Admiral doesn't know what "included" means?

    And lol at calling a no knock FBI raid a "symbolic gesture". Jesus Christ.
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    ledbowman 6 hours ago#69
    "This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."

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