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http://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/donald-trump-jr-meeting/
Washington (CNN)The June 2016 meeting at Trump Tower with Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Paul Manafort included at least eight people. Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. https://twitter.com/adamgoldmanNYT/status/885941730108997636 But Jr. told Hannity the other day that there was nothing else to this!
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Starks posted...
Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. Gotta be Preibus
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Oh man, this may be a smoking gun after all.
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Going off CNN the eight are:
Kushner Manafort Jr. Veselnitskaya Akhmetshin Goldstone Representative of the Agalarov's Translator
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Remember when this was a discussion about adoption between two people
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It's an Agalarov representative, don't get too excited. But yes, Priebus was in the building.
Russia must really want their compounds in my neighborhood back with all these leaks.
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kaiolino posted...
Remember when this was a discussion about abortion between two people Adoption
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Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.) defended President Trump against allegations that his campaign colluded with Russia, saying "everybody colludes" in Washington. http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/342090-gop-rep-on-trump-russia-collusion-everybody-colludes-in-this-city We're reaching maximum spin.
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MegatokyoEd posted...
Rep. Dave Brat (R-Va.) defended President Trump against allegations that his campaign colluded with Russia, saying "everybody colludes" in Washington. Feels like it's been a century since Trump was talking about draining the swamp |
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kaiolino posted...
Remember when this was a discussion about adoption between two people Seriously. It's completely insane how they have lied about sooooo f***ing much WITH JUST THIS ONE MEETING. Let alone their previous 6 months. Then add in the year or so of pre-president Donnie. And his cultists have the nerve to talk about Hillary's lies. LOL
Rage is a hell of an anesthetic.
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Starks posted...
Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. It's none other than Red Herring! 
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Heineken14 posted...
kaiolino posted...Remember when this was a discussion about adoption between two people Trumpists for 18 months: WHAT IS SHE HIDING!? Trumpists now: nothingburger |
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MegatokyoEd posted...
Going off CNN the eight are: Turns out that Translator worked for the State Department and the FBI at one point. https://mobile.twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/885935287137955841
"Decorating your own meltdowns is all well and good,but a trainwreck is a trainwreck and it might be time to get a paramedic."
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Rob_the_Ninja posted...
Starks posted...Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. Dude I don't know if you fall on the left or right, but I gotta applaud anyone dropping A Pup Named Scooby Doo reference...
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Von23 posted...
Turns out that Translator worked for the State Department and the FBI at one point. That doesn't seem to be a red flag. If anything, that's a mitigating choice.
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Von23 posted...
MegatokyoEd posted...Going off CNN the eight are: Call me when there's an actual source.
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The translator already issued a non-denial and cited client privilege.
https://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeednews/live-updates-washington-dc-week-of-071017 "I am a freelance interpreter and an independent contractor," he told BuzzFeed News. "I am bound by non-disclosure agreements and am not able to comment on my clients."
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CNN. Fake news.
Come to me with a real source sometime.
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Starks posted...
You guys gave up Cantor for a Brat he's not in my district, but I'm still ashamed that he was the best replacement for Cantor my state could come up with |
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MegatokyoEd posted...
Going off CNN the eight are: All people very, very passionate about adoptions.
Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen
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Please if there is any cosmic justice, let it be Priebus, Conway, or Gorka.
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MegatokyoEd posted...
Going off CNN the eight are: I can see the Trumpkins new excuse. "The translator wasn't very good. Trump Jr. got a bad translation and didn't know what the Russians were actually saying."
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reallydontknow posted...
Please if there is any cosmic justice, let it be Priebus, Conway, or Gorka. https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/740919802533908480 |
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Something happened at this meeting. Trump's tenor and ferocity changed almost immediately in the days leading up to it and afterwards.
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Full disclosure: I was at the meeting
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Starks posted...
Something happened at this meeting. Trump's tenor and ferocity changed almost immediately in the days leading up to it and afterwards. Lol, who's words are you parroting?
"The historian looks backward; eventually he also believes backward" - F.N.
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So, Akhmetshin worked for Fusion GPS?
http://www.mediaite.com/online/rinat-akhmetshin-reportedly-worked-with-company-that-made-trump-pee-dossier/ Yeah, the people not Manafort, Jr and Jared are pretty interesting....
"Decorating your own meltdowns is all well and good,but a trainwreck is a trainwreck and it might be time to get a paramedic."
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It must have been very awkward in that room. The Elder agalarov was fingered in that dossier for the piss details.
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Rob_the_Ninja posted...
Starks posted...Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. Nice.
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Rob_the_Ninja posted...
Starks posted...Person #8 to be ID'ed shortly. Lmao
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Starks posted...
Something happened at this meeting. The AP reported: “During the meeting, Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee (DNC). Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.
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sfcalimari posted...
Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. The smoking gun. We got him!!!!
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sfcalimari posted...
Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. wait what? Isn't this kinda big?
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TonyKojima posted...
sfcalimari posted...Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. Except that conflicts with the lawyers earlier statement that she was only there to talk about the Russian adoption issue and nothing of the sort happened.
"Decorating your own meltdowns is all well and good,but a trainwreck is a trainwreck and it might be time to get a paramedic."
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Von23 posted...
TonyKojima posted...sfcalimari posted...Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. so then the lawyer was get this lying
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Genericgamer667 posted...
Von23 posted...TonyKojima posted...sfcalimari posted...Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. Or maybe *GASP* IT'S FAKE NEWS!!! Ya think?
"Decorating your own meltdowns is all well and good,but a trainwreck is a trainwreck and it might be time to get a paramedic."
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so you trust a random Russian lawyer of the freaking AP?
Do you really think all those people who were there were just disucsssing adoption?
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so you trust a random Russian lawyer of the freaking AP? Why are you asking him? Of course he trusts the Russians.
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TonyKojima posted...
The smoking gun. We got him!!!! Glenn Greenwald: Donald Trump Jr.'s Emails Aren't a "Smoking Gun" or Evidence of Criminal Collusion https://www.democracynow.org/2017/7/13/glenn_greenwald_donald_trump_jrs_emails#transcript You must be really Gullible to believe you got him.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
TonyKojima posted...The smoking gun. We got him!!!! Oh, somebody said this wasn't a smoking gun before new evidence of this being worse than previously believed was released? Well that's that then.
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Starks posted...Something happened at this meeting. I have a feeling that Trump folks did not feel good about claiming illicit funds from Russia going into DNC. Probably way too close to home since they were more likely to be guilty of same. They probably wanted something different.....not Russia related. |
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That Russian lawyer is a hottie
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KamenRiderBlade posted...
TonyKojima posted...The smoking gun. We got him!!!! Seriously Glenn Greenwald??? Hahahahahaha
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KamenRiderBlade posted...TonyKojima posted...The smoking gun. We got him!!!! Not to mention Greenwald is a useful idiot for anti-western interests.
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Glenn Greenwalt is on Putin's payroll.Von23 posted...Genericgamer667 posted...
Von23 posted...
TonyKojima posted...
sfcalimari posted...
Starks posted...
Something happened at this meeting.
The AP reported: “During the meeting, Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee (DNC). Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.
The smoking gun. We got him!!!!
Except that conflicts with the lawyers earlier statement that she was only there to talk about the Russian adoption issue and nothing of the sort happened.
so then the lawyer was
get this
lying
Or maybe
*GASP*
IT'S FAKE NEWS!!!
Ya think?
Why are you so willing to trust the word of a Russian lawyer with strong Kremlin connections?If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
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Starks posted...
Something happened at this meeting.
The AP reported: “During the meeting, Akhmetshin said Veselnitskaya brought with her a plastic folder with printed-out documents that detailed what she believed was the flow of illicit funds to the Democratic National Committee (DNC). Veselnitskaya presented the contents of the documents to the Trump associates and suggested that making the information public could help the Trump campaign, he said.
I have a feeling that Trump folks did not feel good about claiming illicit funds from Russia going into DNC. Probably way too close to home since they were more likely to be guilty of same. They probably wanted something different.....not Russia related.
Kushner and Manafort probably thought "this would be playing with fire, we can't touch this one"....TonyKojima posted...Seriously Glenn Greenwald??? Hahahahahaha
He's way more credible then you.
Wolfwood824 posted...Not to mention Greenwald is a useful idiot for anti-western interests.
He's also the guy who helped reveal all the wrong doings our 3 letter spy agencies are doing by spying on Americans through the Edward Snowden links.
I think he's more patriotic than most folks and have done more to help defend our right to privacy.
Or does that not matter to you?Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted...TonyKojima posted...
Seriously Glenn Greenwald??? Hahahahahaha
He's way more credible then you.
Wolfwood824 posted...Not to mention Greenwald is a useful idiot for anti-western interests.
He's also the guy who helped reveal all the wrong doings our 3 letter spy agencies are doing by spying on Americans through the Edward Snowden links.
I think he's more patriotic than most folks and have done more to help defend our right to privacy.
Or does that not matter to you?
He is a nutcase. And for the record I think snowden should be tried for treason and sentenced to death if convicted.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56(edited 2 days ago)Greenwald is far left "both sides" nausea at its worst.[NO BARKLEY NO PEACE]TonyKojima posted...He is a nutcase. And for the record I think snowden should be tried for treason and sentenced to death if convicted.
Careful, you sound like a conservative with that kind of rhetoric.
Snowden is a Freedom Fighter / WhistleBlower IMO and has done plenty of good for this world.
I still can't believe you support unlawful spying on citizens by our 3 letter agencies.
Snowden should be protected as a WhistleBlower IMO and given a pardon for all the good he has done in revealing the anti-constitutional crimes that our 3 letter agencies have been doing in secret.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)BREAKING: 8th person at TrumpTower meeting identified as "Collusivov Treasonovich"
https://twitter.com/pattonoswalt/status/885964205530140672Greenwald and Eichenwald can have each other
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He is a nutcase. And for the record I think snowden should be tried for treason and sentenced to death if convicted.
Careful, you sound like a conservative with that kind of rhetoric.
Snowden is a Freedom Fighter / WhistleBlower IMO and has done plenty of good for this world.
I still can't believe you support unlawful spying on citizens by our 3 letter agencies.
One has nothing to do with the other. Snowden stole documents and fled to Russia. How many lives did he put in danger? How many deaths is he responsible for all because he wanted to play spy.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56TonyKojima posted...One has nothing to do with the other. Snowden stole documents and fled to Russia. How many lives did he put in danger? How many deaths is he responsible for all because he wanted to play spy.
Obama and his State Department trapped him in Russia by revoking his Passport.
He didn't want to remain there.
He was on his way to somewhere else.
And so far, there has been no deaths attributable to his release of information.
And how many laws did our 3 letter agencies violate?Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted...TonyKojima posted...
One has nothing to do with the other. Snowden stole documents and fled to Russia. How many lives did he put in danger? How many deaths is he responsible for all because he wanted to play spy.
Obama and his State Department trapped him in Russia by revoking his Passport.
He didn't want to remain there.
He was on his way to somewhere else.
And so far, there has been no deaths attributable to his release of information.
And how many laws did our 3 letter agencies violate?
He was certainly free to hand himself in to US authorities. Not having a passport isn't preventing that. He also didn't need to fly through Russia to go somewhere else.
Basically losing all SIGINT collection in Afghanistan didn't result in lost lives? You are naive.
Name some laws our 3 letter agencies broke that Snowden revealed.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
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I saw you meetin with the Russians (It wasn't me)
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Orange Clockwork posted...Name some laws our 3 letter agencies broke that Snowden revealed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The spying they do on US Citizens is Unconstitutional without a warrant.
Mass Spying shouldn't be allowed on US Citizens, period.
Spy on the rest of the world, we as citizens most likely don't care.
But when it comes to us, you should need a Warrant to even begin spying on us.
But they were given nearly cart blanche power to spy on us.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'Orange Clockwork posted...Basically losing all SIGINT collection in Afghanistan didn't result in lost lives? You are naive.
If it was that bad, it should be provable that Snowden's action resulted in lost lives.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'Hahahahahha, liberals have become parody accounts of themselves.GO KNICKS!!!KamenRiderBlade posted...Orange Clockwork posted...
Name some laws our 3 letter agencies broke that Snowden revealed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
The spying they do on US Citizens is Unconstitutional without a warrant.
Mass Spying shouldn't be allowed on US Citizens, period.
Spy on the rest of the world, we as citizens most likely don't care.
But when it comes to us, you should need a Warrant to even begin spying on us.
But they were given nearly cart blanche power to spy on us.
No they weren't. Telecommunication companies provided the metadata and they needed a judge to sign off if they wanted to obtain the name of a suspected US citizen, and at that point NSA is most likely passing them off to FBI who has the mandate to investigate US citizens.
There are also strong internal controls in place to minimize and account for when US citizens are inadvertently looked at. NSA takes that s*** seriously.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
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The smoking gun. We got him!!!!
Glenn Greenwald: Donald Trump Jr.'s Emails Aren't a "Smoking Gun" or Evidence of Criminal Collusion
https://www.democracynow.org/2017/7/13/glenn_greenwald_donald_trump_jrs_emails#transcript
You must be really Gullible to believe you got him.
Seriously Glenn Greenwald??? Hahahahahaha
Daily reminder that Greenwald is the worst kind of "leftist" who hates America so much he's become a pro-dictatorship Putin shill.Obama 2008Sekulow sounds defeatedThis space for rentBefore this is finished, it's going to turn out there were more people in this meeting than at Trump's inaugurationObama 2008Orange Clockwork posted...No they weren't. Telecommunication companies provided the metadata and they needed a judge to sign off if they wanted to obtain the name of a suspected US citizen, and at that point NSA is most likely passing them off to FBI who has the mandate to investigate US citizens.
They happen to have a near 100% approval rating, how convenient.
There are also strong internal controls in place to minimize and account for when US citizens are inadvertently looked at. NSA takes that s*** seriously.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'And we were worried about Trump Tower being bugged or tapped lolThis space for rentStarks posted...And we were worried about Trump Tower being bugged or tapped lol
Explains a bit why they were so paranoid it was tapped, lol.even if I were a woman, I would never want to be my girlfriend - FranklinKamenRiderBlade posted...Orange Clockwork posted...
No they weren't. Telecommunication companies provided the metadata and they needed a judge to sign off if they wanted to obtain the name of a suspected US citizen, and at that point NSA is most likely passing them off to FBI who has the mandate to investigate US citizens.
They happen to have a near 100% approval rating, how convenient.
There are also strong internal controls in place to minimize and account for when US citizens are inadvertently looked at. NSA takes that s*** seriously.
That's a testament to current internal controls and their training. There's no evidence of systemic violations of the regulations put in place after the Church Committee hearings. Who exactly do you think gets hired by agencies like NSA? They're not random scumbags off the street. They know what job they have to do and they have clean backgrounds.
When it comes to cases like LOVEINT and the like that activity is indeed illegal and they crack down pretty hard when violations are found out. That activity is not systemic.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.(edited 2 days ago)Orange Clockwork posted...That's a testament to current internal controls and their training. There's no evidence of systemic violations of the regulations put in place after the Church Committee hearings. Who exactly do you think gets hired by agencies like NSA? They're not random scumbags off the street. They know what job they have to do and they have clean backgrounds.
I still don't have faith in their internal controls.
When it comes to cases like LOVEINT and the like that activity is indeed illegal and they crack down pretty hard when violations are found out. That activity is not systemic.
The fact that LOVEINT happened along with a convenient 100% approval, I want outside independent investigations into all cases of approval.
The only way I would have faith is complete and utter open transparency.
But given the nature of their spying; I highly doubt they would allow such a thing to happen, even to randomly validated US citizens not related to the Government.
https://theintercept.com/2016/11/29/watergate-era-church-committee-staffers-urge-leniency-for-snowden/Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted...I want outside independent investigations into all cases of approval.
Who are you talking about here specifically? What is the mechanism you propose that would allow NSA to provide uncleared personnel access to classified information while ensuring that information would not be leaked? Currently they go to a judge or, at least, their General Counsel. Who else should they go to?If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.(edited 2 days ago)Orange Clockwork posted...Who are you talking about here specifically? What is the mechanism you propose that would allow NSA to provide uncleared personnel access to classified information while ensuring that information would not be leaked? Currently they go to a judge or, at least, their General Counsel. Who else should they go to?
Find US citizens who are outsiders, vet their background as if they were going to apply for a job with the NSA, but they would only be there to be a independent council to validate the approval cases.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)They already do that. They're called lawyers and judges. Why would you want a bunch of people who aren't educated on the issues who don't have any judicial experience making those calls?If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.(edited 2 days ago)Orange Clockwork posted...They already do that. They're called lawyers and judges. Why would you want a bunch of people who aren't educated on the issues who don't have any judicial experience making those calls?
I don't have faith in those "Lawyers / Judges". They have a vested interest to be friendly to the government. Especially when their career is at stake + future networking connections.
Regular folks aren't bound by that.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted...Orange Clockwork posted...
They already do that. They're called lawyers and judges. Why would you want a bunch of people who aren't educated on the issues who don't have any judicial experience making those calls?
I don't have faith in those "Lawyers / Judges". They have a vested interest to be friendly to the government. Especially when their career is at stake + future networking connections.
Regular folks aren't bound by that.
So you're going to have a team of regular dudes hanging around waiting to get the call? What are they going to be doing during the day? We're not talking about a jury trial.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.(edited 2 days ago)Orange Clockwork posted...So you're going to have a team of regular dudes hanging around waiting to get the call? What are they going to be doing during the day? We're not talking about a jury trial.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about reviewing the decisions already made and to validate that they weren't bogus / just rubber stamping.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted..., vet their background as if they were going to apply for a job with the NSA
Do you know how long it takes and how much money it takes to get a security clearance? May as well just give them a job at NSA.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.KamenRiderBlade posted...Orange Clockwork posted...
So you're going to have a team of regular dudes hanging around waiting to get the call? What are they going to be doing during the day? We're not talking about a jury trial.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about reviewing the decisions already made and to validate that they weren't bogus / just rubber stamping.
You haven't explained how they are qualified to vet these decisions when they don't know anything about what they're looking at. They have no training in the law, no understanding of the relevant statutes, no experience with intelligence, etc. It sounds to me like you're setting them up for failure and putting up a lot of unnecessary hurdles for extremely little benefit.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.Hell, when a judge grants a search warrant to law enforcement they don't even pull in regular people, and a law enforcement investigation is far more invasive than an intelligence collection operation targeted against an American.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.(edited 2 days ago)Orange Clockwork posted...KamenRiderBlade posted...
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So you're going to have a team of regular dudes hanging around waiting to get the call? What are they going to be doing during the day? We're not talking about a jury trial.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about reviewing the decisions already made and to validate that they weren't bogus / just rubber stamping.
You haven't explained how they are qualified to vet these decisions when they don't know anything about what they're looking at. They have no training in the law, no understanding of the relevant statutes, no experience with intelligence, etc. It sounds to me like you're setting them up for failure and putting up a lot of unnecessary hurdles for extremely little benefit.
If it were up to me, I'd trust a team of trained professionals over regular people who have little to no experience and may have biases that can potentially get in the way of the process.Humble_Novice posted...Orange Clockwork posted...
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So you're going to have a team of regular dudes hanging around waiting to get the call? What are they going to be doing during the day? We're not talking about a jury trial.
What are you talking about?
I'm talking about reviewing the decisions already made and to validate that they weren't bogus / just rubber stamping.
You haven't explained how they are qualified to vet these decisions when they don't know anything about what they're looking at. They have no training in the law, no understanding of the relevant statutes, no experience with intelligence, etc. It sounds to me like you're setting them up for failure and putting up a lot of unnecessary hurdles for extremely little benefit.
If it were up to me, I'd trust a team of trained professionals over regular people who have little to no experience and may have biases that can potentially get in the way of the process.
Yeah, that's what we have now. A regular person certainly isn't going to know the difference between a well reasoned argument and a "rubber stamping" as it relates to intelligence operations and the law. For starters, "rubber stamping" isn't exactly a technical term. What precisely is the threshold? You need some training to understand it.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.If the laws are written in such a overly complex manner, then we need to start simplifying the laws so that the average person can read it and interpret it properly.
As far as "Rubber Stamping", we need to verify that there were no consitutional / Federal statute violations or using unintentional loop holes to bypass it or use lose interpretations to bypass the law or have judges give obviously faulty logic to approve warrants.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.TheShadowViper posted...Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.
The only Tool around here is TonyKojima
Orange Clockwork is a cool dude.
I may not agree with him, but still a cool person.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'KamenRiderBlade posted...TheShadowViper posted...
Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.
The only Tool around here is TonyKojima
Orange Clockwork is a cool dude.
I may not agree with him, but still a cool person.
I greatly dislike you. Im not even joking. I don't like you.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56TonyKojima posted...KamenRiderBlade posted...
TheShadowViper posted...
Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.
The only Tool around here is TonyKojima
Orange Clockwork is a cool dude.
I may not agree with him, but still a cool person.
I greatly dislike you. Im not even joking. I don't like you.
You say some wild s***, even for a liberal, Tony.
Who doesn't invite family over because they have a different political view?"Decorating your own meltdowns is all well and good,but a trainwreck is a trainwreck and it might be time to get a paramedic."Von23 posted...TonyKojima posted...
KamenRiderBlade posted...
TheShadowViper posted...
Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.
The only Tool around here is TonyKojima
Orange Clockwork is a cool dude.
I may not agree with him, but still a cool person.
I greatly dislike you. Im not even joking. I don't like you.
You say some wild s***, even for a liberal, Tony.
Who doesn't invite family over because they have a different political view?
More than you think.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56TonyKojima posted...I greatly dislike you. Im not even joking. I don't like you
The feeling is mutual. I don't joke around either.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'KamenRiderBlade posted...TonyKojima posted...
I greatly dislike you. Im not even joking. I don't like you
The feeling is mutual. I don't joke around either.
Yeah, you should probably wear that one like a badge of honor. lolRage is a hell of an anesthetic.Von23 posted...Who doesn't invite family over because they have a different political view?
TonyKojima doesn't invite his conservative family members over apparently.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'Heineken14 posted...Yeah, you should probably wear that one like a badge of honor. lol
He wants to keep up with his non-sense, I choose to challenge him every step of the way over it.
I won't make his life easy here.
I can keep impeding him for years on end.
How many years do you want this enmity to go on?
I'm game for the rest of my life if you are.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)KamenRiderBlade posted...Von23 posted...
Who doesn't invite family over because they have a different political view?
TonyKojima doesn't invite his conservative family members over apparently.
Thats right I don't.Though the XBOX 360 is good in theory, it's hardware limitations say otherwise - Hideo Kojima
PSN - Guncrazy56KamenRiderBlade posted...If the laws are written in such a overly complex manner, then we need to start simplifying the laws so that the average person can read it and interpret it properly.
Everyone involved who either does the intelligence work (executive), reviews it (judicial), or provides oversight (legislative) understands it. Why should laws be simplified just so that regular people can understand it when it has no impact on them? The stakes are too important to lower our standards. The world is too complex and specialized.
You're not just talking about laws either, you're talking about technical collection methods and intelligence trade craft which requires a certain aptitude to understand. Intelligence work isn't exactly unskilled labor.As far as "Rubber Stamping", we need to verify that there were no consitutional / Federal statute violations or using unintentional loop holes to bypass it or use lose interpretations to bypass the law or have judges give obviously faulty logic to approve warrants.
A judge is already well aware of any statute violations and a layperson isn't going to be able to detect a loop hole very easily. If there is a loop hole it is the responsibility of the legislative branch in its oversight role to correct. You don't think they're aware of the issues?
Based on what you've said here I think you have a serious problem with trusting authority. That's not a justification to move toward the system you propose. Honestly, I understand why you think your idea might be good, but to me it just sounds like a big waste of time and money.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.TonyKojima posted...Thats right I don't.
What a small petty person you are.
To disinvite family over politics.
What would your parents say if they were here to see you now.
To see how you've become.
I'd bet they would be ashamed that you shunned family members over politics.Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp 'Once Upon A Time in Mexico'(edited 2 days ago)TheShadowViper posted...Oh look, it is Orange Clockwork pretending there wasn't multiple systemic violations of the law by telecommunications companies and the NSA, again. Not like they literally re-wrote the law to retroactively give telecomms a pass or anything right OC? What a tool you are.
Still waiting for someone like you to show me how metadata alone without a name of a person can be abused by anyone.If you build a man a fire, he is warm for the rest of the night.
If you set a man on fire, he is warm for the rest of his life.
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