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Is Trump's incompetence, dishonesty, and treason killing the Republican Party? - Results (121 votes)
Yes, but it'll take a few years for voters to counteract gerrymandering and illegal voter registration tampering
28.1%
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Yes, and 2018 will be the last year they hold meaningful power in America
14.88%
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No, "both sides" people and Vichy Republicans will continue to grade candidates on a curve.
17.36%
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No, Democrats will continue to reject candidates with broad support in favor of candidates who are loyal to the Party
17.36%
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No. Republicans will continue to hold power with the assistance of hostile foreign governments
22.31%
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The Republican Party was a joke before Trump came along. They don't fight at all, and just kowtow to Obama.
Imagine if Trump didn't exist. Hillary would have a free ticket to the White House, which would be an as expected victory that people predicted back in 2012.
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hypersonic2000 posted...
The Republican Party was a joke before Trump came along. They don't fight at all, and just kowtow to Obama. They've been a joke since they sold their soul to prosecute a consensual blowjob, but before Trump, they at least expected a measure of intelligence and decency in their candidates. Bush was great at playing the country dumb good ol' boy, but he was still a C-Student at both Yale and Harvard.
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Would be interesting to see if he will be "killing" the Republican Party like GWB:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Senate_elections,_2008 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_gubernatorial_elections,_2008 I seriously doubt it though, seems 2017 and onwards is just way too partisan compared to the Bush years. But who knows.
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Let us consult our crystal 8-balls.
"Come back in 18 months" Huh.
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Trump's incompetence, dishonesty, and treason are helping the GOP grow at a very critical time for our country actually.
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Honestly, rethugs are so far up their own ass that they'll never break off or reassess themselves. They are the party of God and christianity, and for those reasons they'll never be able to sympathize with any other party. They will hunker down and close ranks until the apocalypse comes.
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I don't understand topics like this.
Republicans are at the height of power, while Democrats are currently in an abyss with no seeming plan on escaping the situation they created for themselves the last eight years. A better question would be to ask if Democrats will figure out why they seemingly can't beat a guy they think is incompetent. Thus far, the answer is an emphatic no.
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battourye posted...
helping the GOP grow at a very critical time for our country actually. How do you measure that?
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battourye posted...
Trump's incompetence, dishonesty, and treason are helping the GOP grow at a very critical time for our country actually. http://www.people-press.org/2017/05/17/partisan-identification-is-sticky-but-about-10-switched-parties-over-the-past-year/ Young people are fleeing the party in droves.
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Brandalia posted...
I don't understand topics like this. I'll bet climate change is mystifying to you as well because sometimes you see snow during the winter.
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No, GOP voters' stupidity and partisanship will though.
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Brandalia posted...
Republicans are at the height of power. I'd say it was actually on 9/11/2001 and the subsequent days and months. GWB's approval ratings alone speak for themselves.
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CherryTsundere posted...
Brandalia posted...Republicans are at the height of power. I'd agree with this. It only lasted for like a year, but in that year he had the political capital to do anything.
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AKA_Tex_Mex posted...
Brandalia posted...I don't understand topics like this. I live in the real world. You live in a world where Republicans controlling the majority of governorship and state legislatures, the House, the Senate and the White House-- and one where Democrats just lost two fairly high profile special elections despite dumping huge amounts of resources into them and making them a referendum on Trump-- really means that Trump is killing the Republican party and Democrats are secretly winning. You honestly can't argue with that amount of delusion.
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AKA_Tex_Mex posted...
battourye posted...Trump's incompetence, dishonesty, and treason are helping the GOP grow at a very critical time for our country actually. This has already been mitigated with intelligent district drawing and a few other things. The defectors happen every year, although last year was special, and they're always the ones who aren't that active anyway. We got our POTUS after he lost by 3 million votes, I don't think there are 3 million people who just left the party. The idea of course is to wreck the governmental institution so much, and change the political climate so much, that the liberal ideal will become impossible. People talk about 1984 with Trump what with doublethink, but the critical component here would be newspeak. The idea of Trump and the GOP is to create a political climate where, sure you can say things, but there isn't a framework behind it. Imagine if you will, a government ruled by obstructionism, not by the minority party, but by the actual majority party because the very act of creating legislation is a danger to your political career. With the internet now alive everything can be archived, and in a world sans truth, we now have changed how we view things greatly. Liberals worry about Trump destroying the country, when in reality he is destroying the context that allows our democracy to work in any sensible fashion.
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Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something.
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Knave posted...
Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something. Sure, they control all those things, but still can't get anything done. Both parties are a complete joke at this point. Partisanship is destroying this country from within and no side seems keen to reach across the aisle for cooperation.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Knave posted...Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something. Democrats controlled the congress from 1954-1994 which some people call the best years America ever head. Shit went down since the late 90's so some people say. Stuff like this really activates my tangerines.
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CherryTsundere posted...
Bullet_Wing posted...Knave posted...Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something. But that wasn't the specific partisanship I'm referring to. I'm referring to how people place party values before country, not just one party being more in charge. Even if the Democrats were in control, their opponents weren't locked into constantly trying to stonewall them, there was compromise and bipartisan policy benefiting America as a whole rather than one party. That shit started as you say, in the late 90s or so.
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I don't give a fuck about the GOP, I care about what it's doing to the image and value of the American Identity. We are a joke world wide now and this isn't something that will be repaired for a long while.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
CherryTsundere posted...Bullet_Wing posted...Knave posted...Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something. "1990s James Davison Hunter, a sociologist at the University of Virginia, introduced the expression again in his 1991 publication, Culture Wars: The Struggle to Define America. Hunter described what he saw as a dramatic realignment and polarization that had transformed American politics and culture. He argued that on an increasing number of "hot-button" defining issues—abortion, gun politics, separation of church and state, privacy, recreational drug use, homosexuality, censorship—there existed two definable polarities. Furthermore, not only were there a number of divisive issues, but society had divided along essentially the same lines on these issues, so as to constitute two warring groups, defined primarily not by nominal religion, ethnicity, social class, or even political affiliation, but rather by ideological world-views. Hunter characterized this polarity as stemming from opposite impulses, toward what he referred to as Progressivism and as Orthodoxy. Others have adopted the dichotomy with varying labels. For example, Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly emphasizes differences between "Secular-Progressives" and "Traditionalists". The Culture war had significant impact on national politics in the 1990s. The rhetoric of the Christian Coalition of America may have weakened president George H.W. Bush's chances for reelection in 1992 and helped his successor, Bill Clinton, win reelection in 1996. On the other hand, the rhetoric of conservative cultural warriors helped Republicans gain control of Congress in 1994. The culture wars influenced the debate over state-school history curricula in the United States in the 1990s. In particular, debates over the development of national educational standards in 1994 revolved around whether the study of American history should be a "celebratory" or "critical" undertaking and involved such prominent public figures as Lynne Cheney, Rush Limbaugh, and historian Gary Nash." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war#1990s
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If Bush couldn't do it, I don't see how Trump could tbh.
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TC must've made this poll thinking the republicans or any party were worth a damn prior to trump.
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No. But hopefully their unwavering support of him and his inner circle despite their incompetence, dishonesty, and treason will kill the Republican party.
Realistically, though, it's not going to be a big enough change to be meaningful. Republicans are always held to different, much lower standards than other politicians, and that gulf is growing with every election cycle. I'd say that it won't be long before they'd fully stand behind a dribbling lunatic, but, well, they basically already are. Bullet_Wing posted... Knave posted...Republicans control the Presidency, majorities in Congress, majority of governors and State legislatures, and are likely to stack the Supreme Court even further over the next few years. But sure thing, their party is falling apart and the Democrats are just biding their time or something. The blame for that really, truly does lie squarely on the shoulders of the Republican party. First with their blatant "fuck Bill Clinton" agenda, and then again with their even more overt "fuck Barack Obama" agenda. At the start of the Obama administration, the Democrats did try to reach across the aisle and make compromise legislation on numerous occasions, only to be repeatedly spat on and stabbed in the back by petty Republicans being partisan shits simply because they didn't want to allow Obama to get credit for anything positive. And the Republican voter base fucking loved them for it. They've completely poisoned the well, not just of political discourse across the nation, but of basic governance between the parties.
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Brandalia posted...
I don't understand topics like this. Sorry, plenty of Dems know that we lost because the Presidential election is a popularity contest and charisma beats actually having coherent and thought out stances. Just look at how many people somehow didn't believe Trump was going to do exactly what he said he would when the thing he said was something they didn't like (totally just something he is saying because thats what he needs to do to con establishment so he can drain the swamp!) while believing obvious lies that they wanted to be true (this man who has spent his entire adult life screwing over the little guy is totally on our side despite refusing to do anything to prove it!). Next time we need to field another charismatic candidate like Obama instead of someone like Hillary.
I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh
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Brandalia posted...
I live in the real world. Yeah? Then why do you look at Republicans losing the popular vote every year but one in the last three decades, and far-right candidates losing by enormous margins worldwide *specifically* because of their association with Trump and think "This is good for the long-term stability of the party?" Hence my comment about Global Warming, which I suspect went over your head. When your grandfather plays peek-a-boo with you, are you frequently confused about where his face went? You don't live in the real world. You're looking at a moment instead of anything even remotely long-term. Bullet_Wing posted... Both parties are a complete joke at this point. The only people worse than Republicans in America are "both sides" people. Sure Republicans are partisan, dim, and in a dying party... but at least they're capable of differentiating between themselves and Democrats. They're bad, but at least they're not faux-edgy too. Lord_Ichmael posted... If Bush couldn't do it, I don't see how Trump could tbh. Bush was a terrible president, but he's better than Trump by a mile because at least he could form his own thoughts instead of being lead around by the nose by hostile foreign powers. young_flip posted... TC must've made this poll thinking the republicans or any party were worth a damn prior to trump. There's that faux edgy thing again. "I don't have anything to say, and I don't understand the issues, but I'll chime in anyway."
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It's not killing the party. It's a disease that will eventually pass. At least that's my take.
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Any of you see Family Guy when they find the dumbest person to put in charge?
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You'd think, but Jesusland considers helping poor people to be a greater evil than sexual assault and treason.
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rabakill posted...
Any of you see Family Guy when they find the dumbest person to put in charge? But we went through 8 years of that already with our last clown.
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Quite the opposite, Trump is making the party stronger.
The base actually loves him, and he keeps doing rallies, so they will forever be loyal to him.
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wstfld posted...
No, GOP voters' stupidity and partisanship will though. That. Donnie will be a failure and in a few years theyll just pretend he never existed while blaming faults of his on democrats. "The wall" will turn into a democrat idea to them for some reason.
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battourye posted...
Trump's incompetence, dishonesty, and treason are helping the GOP grow at a very critical time for our country actually. I mean, you're not wrong.
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hypersonic2000 posted...
The Republican Party was a joke before Trump came along. They don't fight at all, and just kowtow to Obama.
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Alesandros posted...
hypersonic2000 posted...The Republican Party was a joke before Trump came along. They don't fight at all, and just kowtow to Obama. I can only assume you paid zero attention from 2009 to 2016.
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The only things that will change are:
--Voter turnout will continue to drop --More people register as Independent because they loathe both parties (but still vote for one or the other, anyway) --Even more candidates will pretend to be populist/outsiders/mavericks/etc.
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Brandalia posted...
AKA_Tex_Mex posted...Brandalia posted...I don't understand topics like this. that one in georgia the repub candidate spent lots of money to get less votes than their last election. they won but the republicans arent asking why they spent so much to get less votes. but you won so youre good. lol |
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AKA_Tex_Mex posted...
There's that faux edgy thing again. "I don't have anything to say, and I don't understand the issues, but I'll chime in anyway." The truth is now considered edgy. Look at the slave defend his political betters.
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Trump could cause a lot of damage to the republicans, but damage inflicted rests largely on how much the Democrats and the left capitalise it. If the left use thus moment to mobilise consistently and over a long period of time and put a huge amount of pressure on politics it could really damage the GOP. And if the Democrats actually start to run left leaning, charismatic politicians over several election cycles they could actually do something worthwhile. It's honestly no longer enough to win the presidency for two terms and hand ut back to the republicans. They have to win across all parts of the government and hold it for long enough that the GOP is either destroyed or reformed. Trumps growing unpopularity outside his cultists and his inevitable failure in many key areas means 2018 and 2020 would be a good place to start
But I am not optimistic about it
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AKA_Tex_Mex posted...
The only people worse than Republicans in America are "both sides" people This sentiment always annoys me, I don't pick a side because both sides are focused on authoritarianism and hyperbole, not to mention opposing ideas when they can't get the credit (Republicans with healthcare when they came up with universal healthcare, Democrats with immigration reform when Obama had more deportations than any other president). Not having to take care of a family probably helps, as nothing either side puts into play will affect me greatly, but at the end of the day neither side speaks to me and as I've said in other topics if my withheld vote is what causes the country to collapse maybe the country deserves to. Trump is a wildcard and I predict establishment Repubs trying their best to distance themselves from him (they already are, pretty sure they either expect an impeachment or really don't like him and were more likely the ones who set him up if anyone did) so we just have to sit through him trying and failing to get bills passed until he gets impeached and then we'll be back to the same old, but with a new fear of anyone anti establishment so the system never gets thrown off again.
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EmDubyaSee posted...
But we went through 8 years of that already with our last clown. Imagine being so insecure and so childish as to say this in public. How embarrassing. hoax123 posted... The base actually loves him The base is also tiny, and it's getting smaller as more and more young people reject the Republican Party in favor of parties that acknowledge things like gravity and climate change. ThePieReborn posted... I can only assume you paid zero attention from 2009 to 2016. Right? How ignorant can one tiny segment of the population get? Because of Republican assholes, we don't have a public option for our healthcare. young_flip posted... The truth is now considered edgy. Look at the slave defend his political betters. *fedora tipping intensifies* No, it's not edgy. It's fake edgy for dimwitted types who have nothing to say, but continue to talk anyway. "both sides are evil, sheeple! a slave obeys! ayn rand totally wasn't a hypocrite for living off the government!" 90sNinja posted... This sentiment always annoys me Third party candidates aren't inherently bad. At least they stand for something, even if it's for something really stupid, like Gary Johnson. It's the ones who are so vapid that they think Republicans and Democrats are basically the same who are the problem. Those people probably shouldn't participate in society at all - They don't have anything to offer to any debate, just pithy bullshit that most people get over by the time they hit high school. People like that are why parents need to stop letting their kids live in the basement after they turn 36 or so.
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AKA_Tex_Mex posted...
keep pretending like the repubs were honest, decent people prior to trump. maybe it'll help you feel better.
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there is a difference between "all politicians are corrupt" and "all politicians are corrupt so I voted for the stupid and/or outright insane party that actively shits on my demographic because why not".
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young_flip posted...
keep pretending like the repubs were honest, decent people prior to trump. maybe it'll help you feel better. Trilbylord with the strawman! Nice.
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I hope it's killing the GOP but I'm not that optimistic.
People are insane enough to ignore it all or pretend it's fake news, or continue to vote single issue or some other vapid reason to justify their idiotic support of corruption.
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What incompetence? Trump is doing this shit on purpose.
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I hope both the mainstream Reps and Dems are ridden off.
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Endgame posted...
What incompetence? Trump is doing this shit on purpose. So, hes purposely being incompetent and not knowing what the fuck he is doing? Thats a bold strategy, Cotton.
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