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Do you think businesses should have a right to deny service to people despite the law? - Results (157 votes)
Yes, F*** the law. Businesses should have a right to deny service to anybody whether it's race, orientation etc..
32.48%
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Yes, F*** the law. But only to deny LGBT people, not by race
7.01%
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I personally believe a business should have a right to deny people but if the Law says it's illegal then too bad.
17.2%
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No, allowing this will open the door for OTHER businesses to do the same. Discrimination should be illegal
43.31%
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Jack Phillips, owner of Masterpiece Cakeshop in Denver was asked to bake a wedding cake for 2 men but refused to as he says God doesn't believe in Gay People and it is a violation of his constitutional rights according to the Dept of Justice. He is challenging Colorado law that says he was wrong to turn away Charlie Craig and David Mullins in 2012 where it was made illegal to discriminate the LGBT The Justice Department wrote in an amicus brief filed ahead of the argument before the Supreme Court hears the case. It said "Forcing Phillips to create expression for and participate in a ceremony that violates his sincerely held religious beliefs invades his First Amendment Rights. In the view of the United States, a First Amendment intrusion occurs where public accomodations law compels someone to create expression for a particular person or entity and to participate, literally or figuratively in a ceremony or other expressive event" The legal fight broke out in 2012 when Jack told Charlie and David that his Christian beliefs and store policy to deny service to customers wanting to purchase wedding cakes was his right...The couple then went to FB to tell their story and then complained to the Colorado Civil Rights Commission who sided with the couple. Jack said artistans can't be compelled to produce works celebrating an event that violates artists religions and the DOJ sided with him. Should Jack win the case, only businesses that engage in creative acts similar to making a cake would be able to obtain similar exemptions from anti-discrimination laws. Louise Melling said "What the Trump Administration is advocating for is nothing short of a constitutional right to discriminate" The Trump Administration is making small steps to limit the rights of the LGBT, starting with reversing policies by Obama. Do you think people should have a right to deny service to LGBT people? Trump - Anti-Gay http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440AA2EE00000578-4866232-Trump_s_administration_has_sided_Christian_baker_Jack_Phillips_-a-52_1504891820394.jpg Jack - Anti-Gay Baker http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440B9C2200000578-4866232-The_Department_of_Justice_said_Thursday_that_forcing_Phillips_to-m-51_1504891813539.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440B9C0700000578-4866232-image-a-27_1504890410393.jpg Charlie and David - Gay Couple http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440BA6D000000578-4866232-Phillips_is_challenging_a_Colorado_law_that_says_he_was_wrong_to-m-48_1504891715380.jpg http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440BA6FA00000578-4866232-image-a-28_1504890423367.jpg Jack's ugly cake shop - http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/09/08/18/440B9C2B00000578-4866232-image-a-29_1504890430281.jpg
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Dont know why you would turn away money religious people are crazy
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The God of my religion doesn't believe in cake shops. They literally don't exist.
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Axiom posted...
So much for his obvious political move at appointing a gay ambassador to say "See I'm ok with gays" You can be okay with gays and still be against forcing Christians to go against their beliefs. |
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Axiom posted...
So much for his obvious political move at appointing a gay ambassador to say "See I'm ok with gays" But he waved a rainbow flag once!
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Trump does not know US laws and the Constitution, what else is new?
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Nothing in the bible forbids selling things to gay couples. They're just excusing their hate.
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KrustyTheClown posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Imagine wanting men with guns to force a baker to make a cake he doesn't want to make. No really, defend this. Defend the idea of forcing a person to bake a cake at gunpoint.
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DreadedWave posted...
Nothing in the bible forbids selling things to gay couples. They're just excusing their hate. this What does go against christian faith is refusing to serve gay couples on just based on that. Mal_Fet posted... KrustyTheClown posted...Mal_Fet posted...Imagine wanting men with guns to force a baker to make a cake he doesn't want to make. Troll or not bright, pick one
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Blue_Inigo posted...
Imagine actually thinking discrimination over cakes is ok. Dishonest wording. "ok" and "Shouldn't be illegal" aren't the same statement. I dont think grabbing your poo and writing "I want to kill all the women in Toronto" across your bedroom wall with it is "okay" But I don't want my tax dollars going to police coming to arrest you for doing it. If a******s Inc don't want to serve you, go down the street where not a******s INC are more than happy to take your money for the identical service. Costly legal drama and police involvement does nothing but give lawyers huge stiffies and make idiots on social media say idiotic things.
^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
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Mal_Fet posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...Imagine actually thinking discrimination over cakes is ok. Um it is actual law people can't do this, and yet people start this S*** anyway
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LittleRoyal posted...
Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't. ^ Exactly. Luckily, there's an inherent monetary disadvantage to limiting your customers by surface traits. Allow these discriminatory businesses to fail naturally rather than send in jackboots to coerce them to bake cakes for people.
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trump is actually sensible on this issue
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Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this Squidkids posted... DreadedWave posted...Nothing in the bible forbids selling things to gay couples. They're just excusing their hate.
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Mal_Fet posted...
LittleRoyal posted...Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't. and that is wrong, lamo learn laws/ morals and come back, or stop being a troll?
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Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...LittleRoyal posted...Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't. Should everything that's immoral be illegal?
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Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this You can make every law sound inherently bad if you go "Well if you ignore the law and all warnings for long enough, someone may potentially order you at gunpoint to do it". That is not the reality 99% of the time and is just a lame exaggeration. |
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this It's not an exaggeration. What would happen if the baker refused to make the cake and refused to pay the punitive fine for it?
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If the business is open to the public, they shouldn't be able to discriminate. They shouldn't be forced to make the cake though, just be shut down.
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i love xtians think homosexuals are the biggest issue we face.
how f***ing stupid do you have to be... |
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop? but but but the fake outrage and payout and sjws cant destory some lives |
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DonaldClinton posted...
_Near_ posted...If the business is open to the public, they shouldn't be able to discriminate. They shouldn't be forced to make the cake though, just be shut down. im going to try and get the local women only gym shut down |
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this So are you an anarchist? A sovereign citizen? That could be the potential eventual reality of anyone who ignores the law long and hard enough. That is not even close to the norm in nonviolent crime. All laws must be bad since big bad government will just go fascist if you blow them off forever, no? |
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ModLogic posted...
DonaldClinton posted..._Near_ posted...If the business is open to the public, they shouldn't be able to discriminate. They shouldn't be forced to make the cake though, just be shut down. Go ahead and try. You have that right as a consumer. |
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hockeybub89 posted...
Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this Some laws are justified. There are plenty of crimes that should require a threat of violence from the police, like homicide, theft, civil driving, etc. Some are not. Niw, explain how forcing a baker to make a cake at gunpoint is a justified law.
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ModLogic posted...
DonaldClinton posted..._Near_ posted...If the business is open to the public, they shouldn't be able to discriminate. They shouldn't be forced to make the cake though, just be shut down. If it's discriminatory, then the business owner has to put forth a compelling reason to why they should be able to discriminate. I think women only gyms would be able to do that. I don't think religious bakeries could.
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...Um it is actual law people can't do this I don't base my support of laws on how people who break them will be treated if they are historically giant jackasses about it. Are you against any and all non-dangerous criminal and civil laws? I mean, someone might eventually get a gun pointed at them if they ignore all kinds of fines and court orders. Or is discrimination the only law you think the government could theoretically enforce with violence? |
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Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...Mal_Fet posted...LittleRoyal posted...Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't. No because masturbating is awesome
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hockeybub89 posted...
Punishment fitting the crime is a Constitutional requirement, bro. hockeybub89 posted... Are you against any and all non-dangerous criminal and civil laws? No? I think any laws that protect your basic human rights are justified. Unfortunately, being able to have someone bake you a cake is not a human right.
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Mal_Fet posted...
hockeybub89 posted... citation needed
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Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted... 8th Amendment.
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Mal_Fet posted...
_Near_ posted...Mal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted... 8th amendment doesn't say that the punishment should fit the crime, it merely says that the punishment can't be cruel and unusual. It was originally meant to avoid excessive bail and drawing/quartering. It's been interpreted to prevent barbaric punishments. It's rarely invoked, and it definitely would not be relevant if someone got prison time for refusing to serve protected classes in a state. The supreme court has given state and local authorities such wide discretion in the implementation of sentencing that your 8th amendment argument is way off base.
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Mal_Fet posted...
Punishment fitting the crime is a Constitutional requirement, bro.
And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough s***. Why do you care about the distant possibility enough to call it the punishment for discrimination only? How can you support any laws if any law can be punished by direct force? By your own logic, the punishment for all crimes is being held at gunpoint.Mal_Fet posted...
Unfortunately, being able to have someone bake you a cake is not a human right.
That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination. It is not about the right to do a specific thing. You'd probably have to dig through the fringiest of the fringe to find that argument. It's about whether you value businesses or consumers more and whether you think people should be able to be denied things over immutable characteristics. People also don't have a right to work a specific job at a specific company, but they have a right to not be turned away due to certain things about them. And remember: not being discriminated against is currently a legal right and many people consider it a human right. The burden is on people like you to make the argument to change that.Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...
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LittleRoyal posted...
Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't.
If the business is completely private then fine be an a******. But that's bad for business so your loss
^ Exactly.
and that is wrong, lamo
learn laws/ morals and come back, or stop being a troll?
Should everything that's immoral be illegal?
explain a situation why it shouldnt't beBe a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrSquidkids posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
LittleRoyal posted...
Depends. If the business has any loans or government money in it, you can't.
If the business is completely private then fine be an a******. But that's bad for business so your loss
^ Exactly.
and that is wrong, lamo
learn laws/ morals and come back, or stop being a troll?
Should everything that's immoral be illegal?
explain a situation why it shouldnt't be
Lying is immoral. Cops lie when they go undercover to solve cases. I guess undercover ops should be illegal now.hockeybub89 posted...And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough s***.
And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.
Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.
hockeybub89 posted...That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination.
What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fineFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...
And I'm saying any crime could theoretically end in force if you ignore enough s***.
And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.
Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.
hockeybub89 posted...That is a gross misrepresentation of discrimination.
What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine
If there is no precedent for someone having a gun shoved in their face over this then your argument is just some theoretical BS.
Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you support cops shoving their guns in peoples faces who have not committed any sort of crime? Because that example is quite a bit less theoretical than your example.just tell them all your base doesn't belong to us because we were getting stoned...they'll understand-Ken156Mal_Fet posted...And there are plenty of crimes were that is totally justified.
Now justify the law that forces people to bake cakes at gunpoint.
I have. That is not the typical reaction. Can you link to some examples of people being held at gunpoint for discriminating, not paying fines, or otherwise non-violently breaking law? Now, do you think tax evasion should not be a crime because the government could eventually point at gun at you for not giving them money? What about refusing to pay alimony? White-collar crime? Piracy? Hacking? For the 10,000 time, theoretically, any broken law could eventually result in you having arms drawn against you. Are you against all those laws? And really, what is your solution if people do continually refuse to follow a law or pay the price for breaking one? Just keep giving them stern warnings until they get annoyed enough to pay up? Abolish all those laws? What?
Mal_Fet posted...What would happen if the baker refused to bake the cake or pay the fine
That has nothing to do with what you quoted. I was saying "the right to get a cake from a Christian baker" is a gross misrepresentation of what anti-discrimination proponents are for. It isn't about getting specific things from specific people.
But to answer you, I imagine they would increase fines, try to take you to court, garnish your wages, do some other non-gun related things to you. If things get bad enough, maybe one day they will just finally come to arrest you. And, if you get aggressive and hostile, maybe they will point a gun at you during the arrest if you do certain things. That is a far cry from "the US government points guns at people when they say mean things to gay people".TommyG663513 posted...If there is no precedent for someone having a gun shoved in their face over this then your argument is just some theoretical BS.
So you believe that nothing would happen if the baker refused the court order to pay the fine. Correct?
TommyG663513 posted...Also, on a completely unrelated note, do you support cops shoving their guns in peoples faces who have not committed any sort of crime?
No.
hockeybub89 posted...I have. That is not the typical reaction.
All laws are backed by a threat of violence. No one would follow any laws if they could just refuse to do what the courts say and never see any further repercussions.
hockeybub89 posted...But to answer you, I imagine they would increase fines, try to take you to court, garnish your wages, do some other non-gun related things to you. If things get bad enough, maybe one day they will just finally come to arrest you.
What if you tell them you don't want to be arrested?
What do police do to people who resist arrest?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwell-Gavirulax- posted...1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?
Logic detected.
no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.
It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)
It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrSquidkids posted...-Gavirulax- posted...
1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?
Logic detected.
no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.
It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)
It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.
I have no idea what this anime crap is supposed to mean.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?
Logic detected.
no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.
It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)
It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.
I have no idea what this anime crap is supposed to mean.
Splatoon, from the 2 seconds I did watch while clicking out of the window - in any event, I'm not the slightest bit interested - beyond trying to force people to agree with you (which won't create animosity), it's utterly pointless. Very easy solution to this.
Edit: When I say I don't care, I mean I don't care what happens here, meaning if the business sinks - whatever, or if they win whatever point they're trying to make, whatever again.GavirulaxBusinesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.Rika_Furude posted...Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
This pretty much.
Also didnt the supreme court say that this isnt a violation of the first amendment?The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench.
Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content.I4NRulez posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
This pretty much.
Also didnt the supreme court say that this isnt a violation of the first amendment?
pretty much, because a business isnt a personMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
even poor people own shoesBlue_Inigo posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
Imagine being this dense
Imagine not knowing what "discrimination" is.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwelli noticed mal fet dodged... again...Rika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
even poor people own shoes
So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
even poor people own shoes
So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?
no, how about you learn to readMal_Fet posted...Blue_Inigo posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
Imagine being this dense
Imagine not knowing what "discrimination" is.
Imagine defending Nazis"This is your last dance."Rika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
even poor people own shoes
So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?
no, how about you learn to read
How about you look up the word "discrimination" and tell me if it still counts if poor people are capable of meeting a qualification.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
even poor people own shoes
So you're saying that discrimination is sometimes ok?
no, how about you learn to read
How about you look up the word "discrimination" and tell me if it still counts if poor people are capable of meeting a qualification.
you're still doing an extremely poor job at explaining how "no shoes" is discrimination. its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss offI agree, let them discriminate.
Cause they'll be boycotted, shamed, and put out of business.
The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.
It would be a massacre.Sometimes it's what you don't do that makes you who you are.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y115/jckorn86/smallerbanner.jpgMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
you're still doing an extremely poor job at explaining how "no shoes" is discrimination.
It literally is.
Go back to grade school, pls.
Rika_Furude posted...its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
JcOpIVY86 posted...The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.
if the free market had its way, water fountains would be for whites only. a free market requires regulation to remain free for all instead of a subsetRika_Furude posted...its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
Dictionary.com
^ There ya go, sport.
Rika_Furude posted...JcOpIVY86 posted...
The free market would gobble them up better than the State would.
if the free market had its way, water fountains would be for whites only. a free market requires regulation to remain free for all instead of a subset
Jim Crow was instated by the government, not by businesses.
So looks like you agree that the government needs to stay out of the private sector!Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
Dictionary.com
^ There ya go, sport.
clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try againRika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
Dictionary.com
^ There ya go, sport.
clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try again
Do you also have your mommy dress you in the morning? You seem to be the needy type.
Discriminate: to make or constitute a distinction in or betweenFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
its not my job to do your research for you. provide your evidence itt or piss off
Dictionary.com
^ There ya go, sport.
clicked it, didn't see any relevant studies on how "no shoes" is discriminatory. try again
Do you also have your mommy dress you in the morning? You seem to be the needy type.
Discriminate: to make or constitute a distinction in or between
ctrl-f "no shoes", no resultsRIP Christian Baker.https://soundcloud.com/xsquader - http://youtube.com/xsquader http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1044-independent-politics - Independent Politics Community BoardYes, F*** the law. Businesses should have a right to deny service to anybody whether it's race, orientation etc..
100% anyone voting for this would pitch a f***ing fit if a company refused to serve to white peoplemetralo posted...Yes, F*** the law. Businesses should have a right to deny service to anybody whether it's race, orientation etc..
100% anyone voting for this would pitch a f***ing fit if a company refused to serve to white people
No I wouldn't. I would just not go there.
Why would I want to eat at a place like that anyway?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...
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1NfamousACE_2 posted...
Just get a cake from another shop?
Logic detected.
no it is not, logic would tell people stop with this BS ("christian bakers") to stir up trouble.
It is the same as doing this:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=53
(christian bakers would be the purple, and orange is US courts, as to why I am showing this, the answer is at the end)
It is against the law, it is against christian beliefs to pull this to begin with, it is just trying stir up drama.
I have no idea what this anime crap is supposed to mean.
reading helps
-Gavirulax- posted...
Splatoon, from the 2 seconds I did watch while clicking out of the window - in any event, I'm not the slightest bit interested - beyond trying to force people to agree with you (which won't create animosity), it's utterly pointless. Very easy solution to this.
Edit: When I say I don't care, I mean I don't care what happens here, meaning if the business sinks - whatever, or if they win whatever point they're trying to make, whatever again.
Translation : "My agurment got owned so I am going to pretend not to care and leave this red herring"
Same for you , read the bold, reading helps. there is a point to it. That is what the Christian bakers are doing. They know the appeal and court case will fail but they keep doing it anyway. It is not "logic detected" If you are discriminated, you have a right to press a case^^Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrSquidkids posted...reading helps
What am I supposed to read, I have no idea what's happening in the video and I don't care enough about your dumb analogy to research it.
How about you articulate your thoughts with words instead of with vidyaFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
ctrl-f "no shoes", no results
Woooow...
so are you going to provide evidence to back up your claims or will you continue to dodge like you always do?Mal_Fet posted...Squidkids posted...
reading helps
What am I supposed to read, I have no idea what's happening in the video and I don't care enough about your dumb analogy to research it.
How about you articulate your thoughts with words instead of with vidya
Fine since you are lazy:
https://youtu.be/pZemm35fqYA?t=214
It is not hard to understand. I told you read the bold, just go to the end to this time stamp. The opposing team kept doing the same thing, and I kept "killing" (splatting) them over and over, are you telling me you have no knowledge of shooters? I think you are just being lazy and throwing out red herrings, come on now, it isn't hard. So the point is, just like the other team kept doing the same thing over and over and getting owned by me over and over again, that is the same thing christian bakers are doing to the US coarts, why do they keep doing it knowing ill be shot down?
It is also a hypocrite stance, Christianity, people that truly follow it, will know it is against Christianity to take a stance on not severing gay couples.
-Gavirulax- posted...Squidkids posted...
Translation : "My agurment got owned so I am going to pretend not to care and leave this red herring"
It wasn't an argument, it was "logic detected" you petulant fraud.
countered this statement.Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr-Gavirulax- posted...Squidkids posted...
Fine since you are lazy:
Lazy because people don't want to watch your s***ty videos.
keep up the red herrings i guess
Maybe this is why you are a well known S*** poster, all you do is post S***/ troll, do you ever give your honest feelings?Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrSquidkids posted...Maybe this is why you are a well known S*** poster, all you do is post S***/ troll, do you ever give your honest feelings?
Very often, tends to be why people dislike me (although I'm not as disliked as my fanbase would like, the whole "Do you like" series had some funny results).
Only reason I remember you and your lame "talk to yourself" gimmick is due to tagging you back when you blew it - so disappointing.
But by all means, lecture me on honesty, fraud.Gavirulax-Gavirulax- posted...Squidkids posted...
Maybe this is why you are a well known S*** poster, all you do is post S***/ troll, do you ever give your honest feelings?
Very often, tends to be why people dislike me.
Only reason I remember you and your lame "talk to yourself" gimmick is due to tagging you back when you blew it - so disappointing.
I have no gimmick, your gimmick is to be a S*** posterBe a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrr- Boards
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Squidkids posted...It is not hard to understand. I told you read the bold, just go to the end to this time stamp. The opposing team kept doing the same thing, and I kept "killing" (splatting) them over and over, are you telling me you have no knowledge of shooters?
How is that related to the Christian Bakery story...?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwellevery time these stories come up
Is the right to refuse service not applicable?DonaldClinton posted...kkTheKiller42 posted...
every time these stories come up
Is the right to refuse service not applicable?
Stop supporting hate crimes, you bigoted facist!
/sarcasm
is that what these last 100 posts have been about? lol-Gavirulax- posted...kkTheKiller42 posted...
is that what these last 100 posts have been about? lol
Pretty much.
It's the extremes most people are beyond sick of.
"Gay guy says other gays should just go somewhere else...."
"OMG U f***ING ALT-RIGHT NAZI!!!!!"
Same old same old.
What does you being gay have anything to do with other people being discriminated?Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2kkTheKiller42 posted...every time these stories come up
Is the right to refuse service not applicable?
no because discrimination is not a rightA_Good_Boy posted...-Gavirulax- posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
What does you being gay have anything to do with other people being discriminated?
Victim hierarchy.
As in the two things are completely unrelated to one another?
As per regressive politics!
It really is an easy way out.GavirulaxMal_Fet posted...Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
The entire United States is covered by the Federal Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits discrimination by privately owned places of public accommodation on the basis of race, color, religion or national origin. Places of “public accommodation” include hotels, restaurants, theaters, banks, health clubs and stores.The night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench.
Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content.I4NRulez posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
[appeal to authority]
The existence of a law is not a justification for itself. Explain why it's justified to force someone to bake a cake at gunpoint.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George Orwellwhy does mal fet always purposely act dense in topics like this
theres no way hes seriousMal_Fet posted...I4NRulez posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
[appeal to authority]
The existence of a law is not a justification for itself. Explain why it's justified to force someone to bake a cake at gunpoint.
Explain the justification for discriminating against LGBT.Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2Squidkids posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Imagine actually thinking discrimination over cakes is ok.
It's not ok to flame people, but police should not haul you off to jail for flaming people.
See the difference?
Um it is actual law people can't do this, and yet people start this S*** anyway
Where do you stand on DACA and illegal immigrants?BGleason22 posted...Squidkids posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...
Imagine actually thinking discrimination over cakes is ok.
It's not ok to flame people, but police should not haul you off to jail for flaming people.
See the difference?
Um it is actual law people can't do this, and yet people start this S*** anyway
Where do you stand on DACA and illegal immigrants?
dont care, what does that have to do with what I said?Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrA_Good_Boy posted...Mal_Fet posted...
I4NRulez posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
[appeal to authority]
The existence of a law is not a justification for itself. Explain why it's justified to force someone to bake a cake at gunpoint.
Explain the justification for discriminating against LGBT.
People should be allowed to bake a cake or not bake a cake for whatever reason they choose without the government kicking in their door. Supporting otherwise is an endorsement of tyranny.
Your turn!Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...People should be allowed to bake a cake or not bake a cake for whatever reason they choose.
a business isn't a personMal_Fet posted...People should be allowed to bake a cake or not bake a cake for whatever reason they choose without the government kicking in their door. Supporting otherwise is an endorsement of tyranny.
don't open a bakery if you dont want to bake cakes lolThe night brims with defiled scum,and is permeated by their rotten stench.
Just think. Now you're all set to hunt and kill to your heart's content.so we've gotten to the point where the civil rights act of 1964 is too much for this board's conservatrolls huhFrolex posted...so we've the civil rights act of 1964 is too much for this board's conservatrolls huh
and the president consevatorll too..
I swear he is trolling us.. how can someone be so clueless?Be a team player, guard those super jump rings. See a team member inking a wall to swim up on? ink with them. Ink your foes into ash. http://tinyurl.com/z7hbzrrMal_Fet posted...A_Good_Boy posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
I4NRulez posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Rika_Furude posted...
Businesses shouldn't be allowed to discriminate. End of story. There are no "two sides to the story". They discriminated, and deserve to be shut down.
"No shirt, no shoes, no service"
[appeal to authority]
The existence of a law is not a justification for itself. Explain why it's justified to force someone to bake a cake at gunpoint.
Explain the justification for discriminating against LGBT.
People should be allowed to bake a cake or not bake a cake for whatever reason they choose without the government kicking in their door. Supporting otherwise is an endorsement of tyranny.
Your turn!
If you think that it's tyrannical that private citizens and other organizations use their positions to stifle the free speech of white supremacists and neo-nazis then why do you consider it tyrannical that the government forces Christians to provide accommodations to the LGBT against their wishes? How is it that the actions of private citizens discriminating against white supremacists gets you upset but not private citizens discriminating against the LGBT?Posted with GameRaven 3.2.2Rika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
People should be allowed to bake a cake or not bake a cake for whatever reason they choose.
a business isn't a person
Incorrect. A business is a group of people.
A_Good_Boy posted...If you think that it's tyrannical that private citizens and other organizations use their positions to stifle the free speech
Tyrannical? No. Immoral? Yes. I never said that Google should be forced to keep someone employed. You're just projecting your own natural impulse when something offends you (trying to ban it) onto me.
Unlike most regressives, I don't believe in making everything I don't like illegal.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...Incorrect. A business is a group of people.
a business is not a single person nor is it a group of people. a business is commercial activity, and commercial activity is not a person nor is commercial activity a group of peopleRika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
Incorrect. A business is a group of people.
a business is not a single person nor is it a group of people. a business is commercial activity, and commercial activity is not a person nor is commercial activity a group of people
What's a business with no one in it? Oh yeah: nothing.
And your point is moot. No one should be able to force you to bake a cake at gunpoint, be it your boss or a police officer.
What's it like being such an unapologetic bootlicker?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...What's a business with no one in it? Oh yeah: nothing.
goalpost status: hauled ass
seriously, this is too easy. you're always wrong but never this wrongRika_Furude posted...Mal_Fet posted...
What's a business with no one in it? Oh yeah: nothing.
goalpost status: hauled ass
seriously, this is too easy. you're always wrong but never this wrong
You're wrong about what a business is and you've failed to explain why anyone, in a business or not, should be forced at gunpoint to bake a cake.
Honestly the only reason I'm still asking you at this point is out of morbid curiosity of how far you will go to avoid answering a simple question.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellLiterally arguing with Rika^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgMal_Fet posted...You're wrong about what a business is and you've failed to explain why anyone, in a business or not, should be forced at gunpoint to bake a cake.
they aren't. nobody forced them at gunpoint to open the business or to operate in america. they can always just not run a business, or run a business in some s***ty country like korea if they need to discriminateUnfairRepresent posted...Literally arguing with Rika
And getting schooled by Rika that's even worse.DreadedWave posted...UnfairRepresent posted...
Literally arguing with Rika
And getting schooled by Rika that's even worse.
i see posts like this in nearly every topic i argue in. why continue this "rika is bad" gimmickDreadedWave posted...UnfairRepresent posted...
Literally arguing with Rika
And getting schooled by Rika that's even worse.
Not really.
"It shouldn't be illegal "
" a business is not a person! "
That's not an argument its just quoting CNN^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgUnfairRepresent posted...DreadedWave posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Literally arguing with Rika
And getting schooled by Rika that's even worse.
Not really.
"It shouldn't be illegal "
" a business is not a person! "
That's not an argument its just quoting CNN
i dont watch cnn. you've failed yet again to counter my argument. piss off you trollfuzzylittlbunny posted...What about that restaurant in Hawaii that had a sign that said "If you voted for Trump you can not eat here! No Nazis"? What is CE's stance on that?
political discrimination is also badfuzzylittlbunny posted...What about that restaurant in Hawaii that had a sign that said "If you voted for Trump you can not eat here! No Nazis"? What is CE's stance on that?
Same.
Guys are dicks, go to not dicks inc down the road to get served^ Hey now that's completely unfair.
https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpgfuzzylittlbunny posted...What about that restaurant in Hawaii that had a sign that said "If you voted for Trump you can not eat here! No Nazis"? What is CE's stance on that?
Political opinions are not a protected class, nor should they be.http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you._Near_ posted...fuzzylittlbunny posted...
What about that restaurant in Hawaii that had a sign that said "If you voted for Trump you can not eat here! No Nazis"? What is CE's stance on that?
Political opinions are not a protected class, nor should they be.
They actually are in some states.DNA - National Dyslexic AssociationYugiNoob posted..._Near_ posted...
fuzzylittlbunny posted...
What about that restaurant in Hawaii that had a sign that said "If you voted for Trump you can not eat here! No Nazis"? What is CE's stance on that?
Political opinions are not a protected class, nor should they be.
They actually are in some states.
I was speaking federally. But I think protected classes should be reserved mainly for immutable characteristics. I should be able to kick out a Nazi out of my establishment, but not a gay person. And sexual orientation needs to be read into the 14th amendment pronto so these topics can stop happening.http://i.imgur.com/QoIYepz.gif
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not after you.Mal_Fet posted...
All laws are backed by a threat of violence. No one would follow any laws if they could just refuse to do what the courts say and never see any further repercussions.
That was kind of my point. Do you think that is justified in every instance except discrimination? Because you say all laws are have to be backed by threat of violence, but you also said the punishment should fit the crime. So what other laws do you feel should be abolished? Or are you ok with the threat of violence in literally every other instance?
Mal_Fet posted...What if you tell them you don't want to be arrested?
What do police do to people who resist arrest?
People who resist arrest may get a gun pointed at them. It seems a little disingenuous to say "People are forced at gunpoint to follow laws" when it is really "If you break the law, continually ignore warnings to stop it or pay restitution, and then one day aggressively resist arrest, you might get a gun drawn on you." You're making a s***ty emotional appeal by screaming about guns and government force. That might be a solid argument if you were an anarchist, but you're just worrying about discrimination laws and exaggerating to push your agenda. And since you want to be so technical, you would be having a gun drawn on you for breaking a different law and acting violent. So yeah, stick that in your pipe.Rika_Furude posted...they aren't. nobody forced them at gunpoint to open the business or to operate in america.
Can you defend the law on it's own merit or can't you?
hockeybub89 posted...That was kind of my point. Do you think that is justified in every instance except discrimination?
Most laws are justified. A lot aren't. Why do you keep acting like saying this law is terrible is equivalent to saying all laws are terrible? Quote where I said such a thing.
hockeybub89 posted...People who resist arrest may get a gun pointed at them. It seems a little disingenuous to say "People are forced at gunpoint to follow laws" when it is really "If you break the law, continually ignore warnings to stop it or pay restitution, and then one day aggressively resist arrest, you might get a gun drawn on you."
Yeah. They will draw guns on you if you refuse to comply with any law. That's why I say all laws are backed up with a threat of violence.
You know why no one was punished for Eric Garner's death? Because the law was that you aren't allowed to sell untaxed cigarettes. Because that law exists, the police were required to use violence to stop him, which is why they weren't at fault when his asthma acted up and killed him. So you're ok with that, right?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellTexas_Horns posted...OEIO999 posted...
CADE FOSTER posted...
Dont know why you would turn away money religious people are crazy
God bless Atheists.
Bible doesn't value money
literally every character in the bible is gay. it was just lost in translation"I can i i everything else," Bob reportedly said. Alice replied: "Balls have zero to me to me to me..." (Facebook AIs talking to each other)Mal_Fet posted...Most laws are justified. A lot aren't. Why do you keep acting like saying this law is terrible is equivalent to saying all laws are terrible? Quote where I said such a thing.
You said punishments should fit the crime because of the 8th Amendment. You are also saying all laws need to be backed with threats of violence to be effective. So does that not mean any non-violent crime should be legal? Otherwise, people might potentially get guns pointed at them if they break the law for long enough, something you think is morally wrong. Or do you think the threat of violence is cool as long as it isn't for discrimination? Is the threat of violence justified for crimes like tax evasion, fraud, or hacking? If not, then it sounds like you disagree with them being illegal. If Yes, what is the fundamental difference between those and discrimination in your opinion?hockeybub89 posted...You said punishments should fit the crime because of the 8th Amendment. You are also saying all laws need to be backed with threats of violence to be effective. So does that not mean any non-violent crime should be legal?
No, but it does mean that not baking a cake shouldn't be illegal. Any other questions?Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...hockeybub89 posted...
You said punishments should fit the crime because of the 8th Amendment. You are also saying all laws need to be backed with threats of violence to be effective. So does that not mean any non-violent crime should be legal?
No, but it does mean that not baking a cake shouldn't be illegal. Any other questions?
Not baking a cake due to someone's immutable characteristics is seen as discrimination. Discrimination is considered wrong and breaking the law. What I want you to is explain to me how discrimination law is unjustifiable, but other non-violent law is. Remember, you said all laws need to be backed with the threat of violence AND that violence is unjustifiable if you aren't hurting anyone. So with that in mind, how can you support any law barring non-violent actions?- Boards
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