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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-northkorea-missiles-trump/trump-rebukes-south-korea-after-north-korean-bomb-test-idUSKCN1BE0OB
U.S. President Donald Trump admonished South Korea, a key ally, for what he termed a policy of “appeasement” after North Korea claimed to have tested an advanced hydrogen bomb for a long-range missile on Sunday. On Twitter, Trump said: “South Korea is finding, as I have told them, that their talk of appeasement with North Korea will not work, they (North Korea) only understand one thing!” It was the latest signal that Trump is losing patience with the international community’s response to the increasingly belligerent regime of North Korean leader Kim Jong Un. Last week, Trump tweeted that “talking is not the answer” in terms of dealing with Pyongyang. On Sunday, Trump also tweeted that North Korea’s “words and actions continue to be very hostile and dangerous to the United States” and said the regime ”has become a great threat and embarrassment to China, which is trying to help but with little success.” The White House said Trump’s national security team was “monitoring this closely” and that the president would convene a meeting of his advisers later on Sunday. North Korea said it had tested an advanced hydrogen bomb for a long-range missile on Sunday, setting off a manmade earthquake near the test. Japanese and South Korean officials said that tremor was about 10 times more powerful than the one picked up after the nation’s last nuclear test a year ago. Thoughts?
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GOATTHlEF posted...
I mean, he's correct in that "talks" aren't going to fix anything, and that it's been 2 decades of letting the North act up that's gotten them to a level of threat that is difficult to deal with. That being said, it's kind of understandable that they'd be a bit passive given that any action taken against NK would result in the decimation of Seoul.
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TheVipaGTS posted...
...why? I imagine his ability to act against NK is extremely hampered by South Korea. Given that they stand to be nearly wiped out if the US were to take military action this makes sense, but he may be trying to put some pressure on them going into the upcoming emergency UN meeting to try and get them to concede to more aggressive actions (like opening another base, more THAAD activity, etc)
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Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation.
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what would nuking seoul do? the second he does it, no country in the world is gonna "well i guess they won the korean war! thems the breaks!"
if his goal is to have control of the entire korean penninsula, what im assuming the war is over, pissing off japan and the united states aren't going to help! if he wants to keep what's his, then yes, testing nukes and boasting sounds right. itll deter any other countries from just saying "f*** it let's end this" and having the south take over. AND CHINA AINT DOING s*** SO STOP IT WITH THE "OH BUT CHINA WONT LET THEM " NO. look, if china sides with the US, then oh look a bunch of north korean refugees they gotta take care of. if they side with north korea OH LOOK A BUNCH OF NORTH KOREAN REFUGEES THEY GOTTA TAKE CARE OF.
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Link HT posted...
Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation. That's exactly what it is. The only thing keeping other countries from acting against NK is the fact that they have a massive number of weapons aimed at Seoul, too many to stop before they could be used.
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s0nicfan posted...
Link HT posted...Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation. I just don't see the point in them doing it. I'm not going to say I even remotely understand NK's plan but taunting the world just to nuke Seoul as a final hail mary before they all die just seems like a really stupid idea. |
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Just another s***ty situation in the world with no easy solution
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Wouldn't a conflict with North Korea cripple South Korea permanently, regardless of who wins or even what ends up destroyed? The refugees alone would destroy their economy.
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s0nicfan posted...
Link HT posted...Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation. That and China not wanting an American allied country at its doorstep, and SK not wanting to have to deal with the massive refugee and humanitarian crisis that would entail. So yea geopolitics. |
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If Dear Leader is only doing this just to keep other countries from trying to invade and has no real plans of going to war like ever, then that's the best case scenario. Although that entire stint with the missile flying over Japan was stupid if that was the case. And honestly if they really wanted to unite with the South they'd probably be a lot more... erm, forceful about it.
As it stands, it really just seems like they just want to show off and at the same time not actually have their own country go to war because they know that nobody and their mother really likes them and it'd end badly for them. It's a bit of an optimistic take on the situation I'll admit though.
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s0nicfan posted...
Link HT posted...Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation. And they'll most likely also fire nukes at Japan if other countries try to do anything to them, too.
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Link HT posted...
s0nicfan posted...Link HT posted...Why does everyone assume NK would just randomly bomb SK in case of military intervention? They're in close proximity to each other but it's not like this is a hostage situation. They aren't going to just attack Seoul out of the blue, it's more of a "If we're going down, we're taking Seoul with us" and the rest of the world isn't willing to risk one of the biggest cities in the world to call NK's bluff.
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@s0nicfan has a grade school understanding of their situation. South Korea doesn't want a war, they don't want to reunite with NK because it would destroy their economy. Their endgame is to leave NK as it is and let them implode or maybe even become their own thing.
Trump provoked a harmless NK and now they're testing missiles to defend themselves in case Trump decides to pull the trigger. Trump is the f*** up here, and provoking NK doesn't help anyone. Please, tell us, what does going to war or even provoking NK actually result in?
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legendarylemur posted...
@s0nicfan has a grade school understanding of their situation. South Korea doesn't want a war, they don't want to reunite with NK because it would destroy their economy. Their endgame is to leave NK as it is and let them implode or maybe even become their own thing. Distracts from Trump's many failures at home. Sends a generation that is increasingly voting for left-wing candidates off to a deadly war that will likely scar them for the rest of their lives (all the while stripping them of their rights and protections when they come home mentally f***ed up from the experience). Gets millions of people he really doesn't give a hoot about killed. The usual thing that Republicans do when they get into office.
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I can see that being a good reason. Except I don't think Trump is smart enough to cause troubles just to distract people from his domestic f*** ups, precisely because he probably believes he's not f***ing up in the first place. Another thing, causing a war that literally nobody wants just to save face is incredibly idiotic, if that is his intent.
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legendarylemur posted...
Trump provoked a harmless NK and now they're testing missiles to defend themselves in case Trump decides to pull the trigger. Trump is the f*** up here, and provoking NK doesn't help anyone. They haven't been harmless for some time now. That isn't on Trump. Officials warned in 2011/12 that NK was ramping up their missile program. And they started refining and enriching uranium for nuclear weapons. That didn't just happen in the last year. It took quite some time for them to develop these things. The missile tests that have been increasing over the last five years is not the fault of Donald Trump. To claim that Trump was provoking them before he was even running for president is a bit silly. Look through old articles. This current push started some time ago, and this was their intention and goal all along. When they started their program and begin testing missiles, Obama hadn't even been reelected yet. |
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Bandit_Keith posted...
legendarylemur posted...Trump provoked a harmless NK and now they're testing missiles to defend themselves in case Trump decides to pull the trigger. Trump is the f*** up here, and provoking NK doesn't help anyone. This guy gets it. NK has been trying to grow into a nuclear power for like 20 years now, and the rest of the world doing nothing has let them get to this point.
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_BlueMonk posted...
GOATTHlEF posted...Distracts from Trump's many failures at home. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/258575681275965440?lang=en Even Trump seems to think that's how it works.
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