Mexico on Sunday pushed back against a string of critical tweets directed at the country by President Trump, saying it refused to discuss aspects of the bilateral relationship “through social media or any other news platform.” http://thehill.com/policy/international/348210-mexico-to-trump-we-will-not-negotiate-nafta-through-social-media
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Gee, I wonder where all those criminals in Mexico are getting money and arms to turn it into a high crime country?
I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh
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NAFTA isn't going anywhere. Trump literally has zero power to end it. Only the senate can by 2/3 majority and WE of course will never agree to any changes trump wants no matter what. Trump is such an idiot that he doesn't realize Canada and Mexico hold complete leverage lol.
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Lol. Trump getting b**** slapped by Mexico. He's such a worthless piece of s***.
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Man, Mexico has been making Donald their whipping boy for months now. s***'s hilarious.
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Man, Mexico has been making Donald their whipping boy for months now. s***'s hilarious. I know its great lol.
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Gee, I wonder where all those criminals in Mexico are getting money and arms to turn it into a high crime country? Not to mention the drug war, which Trump's AG wants to continue and escalate despite it being blatantly worthless in every way imaginable.
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mexico throwing shade on trump. gotta love it
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first Trump begged the President via the phone call to not publicly say Mexico wasn't going to pay for the wall because it'd make him look bad...
Now this.... HAHAHAH
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mexico throwing shade on trump. gotta love it "Throwing shade". I have no idea what this means.
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EliteC posted...
VeiledGenesis posted... The Seattle area. I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. It's just not a phrase I've ever heard.
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Bluebomber182 posted... Trash talk, s*** talk, disparage, etc
I mean, i never see the right bash the left on anything because the blame game causes more issues than anything-Josh
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ClayGuida posted... The sad part is, they aren't even doing anything special, just pointing out the obvious. Like how you don't try and speak details of something as massive as NAFTA over Twitter. That's all it takes to embarrass Dips*** Donnie: pointing out the obvious.
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VeiledGenesis posted... Ah. First time I've ever heard that term.
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is Trump seriously trying to get rid of NAFTA now
does he WANT to f*** over Texas's economy?
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lmao if nafta is changed or broken Mexico and Canada will be servants and accept it.
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Trump on Sunday morning took to Twitter to accuse Mexico of being “one of the highest crime nations in the world” I'm confused. Are they suggesting this is not true?
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That tweet was directed to the American people.
Also, there's plenty Trump could do to Mexico through visas and other presidential powers.
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NAFTA isn't going anywhere. Trump literally has zero power to end it. Only the senate can by 2/3 majority and WE of course will never agree to any changes trump wants no matter what. Trump is such an idiot that he doesn't realize Canada and Mexico hold complete leverage lol. Trump can stop enforcing it, actually. Which would be great. He stopped TPP and now he can throw this embarrassment in the trash where it belongs.
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TonyKojima posted... Nope
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enjoy crashing the economy then
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enjoy crashing the economy then Meh. We are not inherently dependent on NAFTA. It would damage Mexico and Canada far more than the US anyway. We hold all the cards.
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We hold all the cards. LOL
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That tweet was directed to the American people. Hey guys do you remember when THO said that cheering should "make the life of Mexican nationals (legal) miserable" as revenge? Lo and behold, he is back to saying the same, just less blatantly. And the moderators will be ok with it, because, alt-right. So do tell us, THO, what is the payment dollar exchange rate for "harassment and spite"? |
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If the US pulls out of NAFTA, I think Canada and Mexico should keep it (or negotiate a better deal) just for the two of them, while jointly deciding to screw over the US in trade until such time as the US collectively pulls its head out of its own ass.
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TheHonorableOne posted... Because there is nothing wrong with that. That is how countries put pressure on other countries, and have done so for decades if not centuries.
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infinitys_7th posted...
Genericgamer667 posted... As a whole? Perhaps. But some individual states, such as Iowa (corn), Kansas (corn too), WI (Milk), and Texas (meat) export over 90% of their production to... Mexico! They're all red states too |
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so what is the BENEFIT of leaving it? It won't magically bring jobs back
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If the US pulls out of NAFTA, I think Canada and Mexico should keep it (or negotiate a better deal) just for the two of them, while jointly deciding to screw over the US in trade until such time as the US collectively pulls its head out of its own ass. Have fun missing out on a much, much bigger economy that can easily screw both of them over.
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This is probably the last relevant opportunity for the Unions to actually have a say in something. I don't suspect they'll matter and certainly Trump isnt going to be able to take down NAFTA without some pretty insane consequences.
That just raises further questions
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so what is the BENEFIT of leaving it? It won't magically bring jobs back What was the benefit of it? No one made money of it except the corporations who wrote it. It's not free trade.
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go ahead, crash the economy of Texas while they are dealing with a hurricane
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EliteC posted...
infinitys_7th posted... How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million. Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
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go ahead, crash the economy of Texas while they are dealing with a hurricane I'm confused. You are a Keynesian based on your support of NAFTA, right? So you should believe that the broken window fallacy is actually wrong.
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so what is the BENEFIT of leaving it? It won't magically bring jobs backI'd imagine the idea is to keep the US auto industry somewhat relevant. Generally speaking, the fear of Mexican jobs leaving North America props up the entire dynamic. Most of the experts don't think the jobs are ever coming back to the US so they've given up on fighting.
That just raises further questions
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EliteC posted... I said 90% of that particular state's output (e.g. 90% of Iowa's corn). Where do you get your talking points, madfoot's almanac? Mexico loves their beef. Heck, most tacos have some sort of meat in them. You really think they're a bunch of guys wearing lolicloths don't you ? Lol |
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How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million. Borror highlighted the fact that Mexico is a critical trading partner for the U.S. beef and pork industries, with exports to Mexico accounting for 8 percent of total U.S. pork production and 3 percent of U.S. beef production. U.S. pork exports reached 12.5 pounds per Mexican consumer last year, with beef exports totaling nearly 4.5 pounds. Total U.S. pork and beef exports to Mexico reached nearly 973,000 metric tons (mt) in 2016 and will soon exceed 1 million mt. Export value was $2.3 Billion – an increase of 43 percent in value over the past 10 years. https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/mexico/ |
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infinitys_7th posted... No, I expect they eat a lot of fish and grain, especially in the large impoverished rural areas. Also, this site suggests that only 1,500 head are shipped out to Mexico a week (74,000 a year). That's not even close to 90%: https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers Sounds like the numbers are inflated. If not, it is just another fake economy to be slashed.
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infinitys_7th posted... "B-but I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford meat, trump and Namur told me!" </infinity 7 logic> |
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EliteC posted... Why do you keep insisting they're some india-like desert? Their economy is huge: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal) # 15 - Mexico, 1,046,002 Millions USD GDP. That's a lot of sausages to sell guy. And their purchasing power per capita is FAR higher than the average chinese or indian: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita # 64 - Mexico, $18,939 USD # 78 - China, $15,399 USD # 123, India, $6,616 USD (hahaha) You're better off selling to the average "bad hombre" than to the average THO relative. |
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The Great Muta 22 posted... 3% of US production, which includes some amount of Mexican cattle sent to the US to graze. And the raw numbers mean little - how much is consumed per capita? For generic meat consumption, the US consumes 279.1 #/person/year versus Mexico consuming 137.1 #/person/year. Will have to look harder for beef, but it is not looking good for your argument. https://vegetarian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004716
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Is it fair to say that the US has seen the worst of a NAFTA deal already? It stands to reason that as America's trading partners to the North and South prosper then the trade deficit will probably shrink as the consumer force of those countries grows stronger and wants more American products.
That just raises further questions
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Genericgamer667 posted...
enjoy crashing the economy then
Meh. We are not inherently dependent on NAFTA. It would damage Mexico and Canada far more than the US anyway. We hold all the cards.
As a whole? Perhaps.
But some individual states, such as Iowa (corn), Kansas (corn too), WI (Milk), and Texas (meat) export over 90% of their production to... Mexico! They're all red states too
How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
I said 90% of that particular state's output (e.g. 90% of Iowa's corn).
Where do you get your talking points, madfoot's almanac? Mexico loves their beef. Heck, most tacos have some sort of meat in them. You really think they're a bunch of guys wearing lolicloths don't you ? Lol
No, I expect they eat a lot of fish and grain, especially in the large impoverished rural areas.
Also, this site suggests that only 1,500 head are shipped out to Mexico a week (74,000 a year). That's not even close to 90%:
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers
Sounds like the numbers are inflated. If not, it is just another fake economy to be slashed.
Why do you keep insisting they're some india-like desert?
Their economy is huge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
# 15 - Mexico, 1,046,002 Millions USD GDP. That's a lot of sausages to sell guy. And their purchasing power per capita is FAR higher than the average chinese or indian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
# 64 - Mexico, $18,939 USD
# 78 - China, $15,399 USD
# 123, India, $6,616 USD (hahaha)
You're better off selling to the average "bad hombre" than to the average THO relative.
@infinitys_7thSamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
EliteC posted...
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Genericgamer667 posted...
enjoy crashing the economy then
Meh. We are not inherently dependent on NAFTA. It would damage Mexico and Canada far more than the US anyway. We hold all the cards.
As a whole? Perhaps.
But some individual states, such as Iowa (corn), Kansas (corn too), WI (Milk), and Texas (meat) export over 90% of their production to... Mexico! They're all red states too
How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
I said 90% of that particular state's output (e.g. 90% of Iowa's corn).
Where do you get your talking points, madfoot's almanac? Mexico loves their beef. Heck, most tacos have some sort of meat in them. You really think they're a bunch of guys wearing lolicloths don't you ? Lol
No, I expect they eat a lot of fish and grain, especially in the large impoverished rural areas.
Also, this site suggests that only 1,500 head are shipped out to Mexico a week (74,000 a year). That's not even close to 90%:
https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/02/16/first-casualties-trumps-trade-wars-texas-cattle-ranchers
Sounds like the numbers are inflated. If not, it is just another fake economy to be slashed.
Why do you keep insisting they're some india-like desert?
Their economy is huge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)
# 15 - Mexico, 1,046,002 Millions USD GDP. That's a lot of sausages to sell guy. And their purchasing power per capita is FAR higher than the average chinese or indian:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita
# 64 - Mexico, $18,939 USD
# 78 - China, $15,399 USD
# 123, India, $6,616 USD (hahaha)
You're better off selling to the average "bad hombre" than to the average THO relative.
No one sad they are an India-like desert. They are just incredibly impoverished and much of the country is cartel-controlled and corrupt. And, as I showed, they eat significantly less meat than the US as a result. Meat consumption is very expensive.
Some entire regions are not much safer than ISIS-controlled regions in Iraq.
Also, how much of that purchasing power is from the cartels? I imagine they all have quit a bit more purchasing power than the average farmer. Wealth disparity and all that. Who has the money in Mexico? It is cetainly not all the impoverished farmers in the vast rural areas.
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How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
Borror highlighted the fact that Mexico is a critical trading partner for the U.S. beef and pork industries, with exports to Mexico accounting for 8 percent of total U.S. pork production and 3 percent of U.S. beef production. U.S. pork exports reached 12.5 pounds per Mexican consumer last year, with beef exports totaling nearly 4.5 pounds. Total U.S. pork and beef exports to Mexico reached nearly 973,000 metric tons (mt) in 2016 and will soon exceed 1 million mt. Export value was $2.3 Billion – an increase of 43 percent in value over the past 10 years.
https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/mexico/
"B-but I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford meat, trump and Namur told me!" </infinity 7 logic>
3% of US production, which includes some amount of Mexican cattle sent to the US to graze.
And the raw numbers mean little - how much is consumed per capita?
For generic meat consumption, the US consumes 279.1 #/person/year versus Mexico consuming 137.1 #/person/year. Will have to look harder for beef, but it is not looking good for your argument.
https://vegetarian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004716
That is not my argument, and you know it.
My argument is that some states sell most of their stuff to Mexico.
MANY states produce corn or beef. Some may not do business with Mexico at all. For some reason Iowa is selling most of theirs to Mexico, and for some reason Texas is selling most of their meat to Mexico, perhaps because of their proximity, or the large number of Mexican-Americans there or the language.
I never said 90% of the entire USA, you're so dishonestEliteC posted...infinitys_7th posted...
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How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
Borror highlighted the fact that Mexico is a critical trading partner for the U.S. beef and pork industries, with exports to Mexico accounting for 8 percent of total U.S. pork production and 3 percent of U.S. beef production. U.S. pork exports reached 12.5 pounds per Mexican consumer last year, with beef exports totaling nearly 4.5 pounds. Total U.S. pork and beef exports to Mexico reached nearly 973,000 metric tons (mt) in 2016 and will soon exceed 1 million mt. Export value was $2.3 Billion – an increase of 43 percent in value over the past 10 years.
https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/mexico/
"B-but I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford meat, trump and Namur told me!" </infinity 7 logic>
3% of US production, which includes some amount of Mexican cattle sent to the US to graze.
And the raw numbers mean little - how much is consumed per capita?
For generic meat consumption, the US consumes 279.1 #/person/year versus Mexico consuming 137.1 #/person/year. Will have to look harder for beef, but it is not looking good for your argument.
https://vegetarian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004716
That is not my argument, and you know it.
My argument is that some states sell most of their stuff to Mexico.
MANY states produce corn or beef. Some may not do business with Mexico at all. For some reason Iowa is selling most of theirs to Mexico, and for some reason Texas is selling most of their meat to Mexico, perhaps because of their proximity, or the large number of Mexican-Americans there or the language.
I never said 90% of the entire USA, you're so dishonest
I never said you did. You said Texas sells 90% of their cattle to Mexico, which is bulls***. They send 74,000 head a year - hardly anything. 1,000 head a week easily go through the stockyard back home on Sundays.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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No one sad they are an India-like desert. They are just incredibly impoverished and much of the country is cartel-controlled and corrupt. And, as I showed, they eat significantly less meat than the US as a result. Meat consumption is very expensive.
Some entire regions are not much safer than ISIS-controlled regions in Iraq.
Again, look at the numbers. The average Mexican can afford far more than the average Indian or Chinese, or even more than the average person from places like Albania, Bosnia, or Georgia (so much for your white power!).
Yes there poor, but your argument that they're too poor to trade or afford a sausage is ridiculousinfinitys_7th posted...I never said you did. You said Texas sells 90% of their cattle to Mexico, which is bulls***. They send 74,000 head a year - hardly anything. 1,000 head a week easily go through the stockyard back home on Sundays.
You're trying to weasel out of this one, and it's not gonna work.
Your whole point is they were too f***ing poor to afford beef:
infinitys_7th posted...Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost,
Beef is VERY popular down there. Get REKT
https://www.statista.com/statistics/440251/mexico-s-per-capita-meat-consumption-by-type/
Mexico's per capita beef consumption was projected to amount to 15.2 kg carcass weight equivalent in that year.EliteC posted...infinitys_7th posted...
No one sad they are an India-like desert. They are just incredibly impoverished and much of the country is cartel-controlled and corrupt. And, as I showed, they eat significantly less meat than the US as a result. Meat consumption is very expensive.
Some entire regions are not much safer than ISIS-controlled regions in Iraq.
Again, look at the numbers. The average Mexican can afford far more than the average Indian or Chinese, or even more than the average person from places like Albania, Bosnia, or Georgia (so much for your white power!).
Yes there poor, but your argument that they're too poor to trade or afford a sausage is ridiculous
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How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
Borror highlighted the fact that Mexico is a critical trading partner for the U.S. beef and pork industries, with exports to Mexico accounting for 8 percent of total U.S. pork production and 3 percent of U.S. beef production. U.S. pork exports reached 12.5 pounds per Mexican consumer last year, with beef exports totaling nearly 4.5 pounds. Total U.S. pork and beef exports to Mexico reached nearly 973,000 metric tons (mt) in 2016 and will soon exceed 1 million mt. Export value was $2.3 Billion – an increase of 43 percent in value over the past 10 years.
https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/mexico/
"B-but I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford meat, trump and Namur told me!" </infinity 7 logic>
3% of US production, which includes some amount of Mexican cattle sent to the US to graze.
And the raw numbers mean little - how much is consumed per capita?
For generic meat consumption, the US consumes 279.1 #/person/year versus Mexico consuming 137.1 #/person/year. Will have to look harder for beef, but it is not looking good for your argument.
https://vegetarian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004716
That is not my argument, and you know it.
My argument is that some states sell most of their stuff to Mexico.
MANY states produce corn or beef. Some may not do business with Mexico at all. For some reason Iowa is selling most of theirs to Mexico, and for some reason Texas is selling most of their meat to Mexico, perhaps because of their proximity, or the large number of Mexican-Americans there or the language.
I never said 90% of the entire USA, you're so dishonest
I never said you did. You said Texas sells 90% of their cattle to Mexico, which is bulls***. They send 74,000 head a year - hardly anything. 1,000 head a week easily go through the stockyard back home on Sundays.
You don't even know that people in Mexico love beef. He might not be right with that 90% mark, but your s***ty arguing tactics obfuscated that point because you just picked nonsense that didn't matter to argue about, ignoring the point of the conversation. Plus, tongue and hearts and other s*** count as beef too. We aren't solely exporting prime ribs...The party's always better with Gordon FreeGin around.SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
I never said you did. You said Texas sells 90% of their cattle to Mexico, which is bulls***. They send 74,000 head a year - hardly anything. 1,000 head a week easily go through the stockyard back home on Sundays.
You're trying to weasel out of this one, and it's not gonna work.
Your whole point is they were too f***ing poor to afford beef:
infinitys_7th posted...Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost,
Beef is VERY popular down there. Get REKT
https://www.statista.com/statistics/440251/mexico-s-per-capita-meat-consumption-by-type/
Mexico's per capita beef consumption was projected to amount to 15.2 kg carcass weight equivalent in that year.
And the US consumes 55.7 lbs = 25.3 kg of beef per capita per year from the USDA.
Almost 70% more. Numbers are meaningless unless you have something to compare them to. They eat significantly less meat and beef.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)GordonFreeGin posted...infinitys_7th posted...
EliteC posted...
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How big is that 90% exactly? Seems hard to believe a country of 130 million takes 90% of, say, beef, compared to a country of 340 million.
Especially considering that beef is not popular in Mexico due to cost, especially in coastal areas, while beef is incredibly popular in the US.
Borror highlighted the fact that Mexico is a critical trading partner for the U.S. beef and pork industries, with exports to Mexico accounting for 8 percent of total U.S. pork production and 3 percent of U.S. beef production. U.S. pork exports reached 12.5 pounds per Mexican consumer last year, with beef exports totaling nearly 4.5 pounds. Total U.S. pork and beef exports to Mexico reached nearly 973,000 metric tons (mt) in 2016 and will soon exceed 1 million mt. Export value was $2.3 Billion – an increase of 43 percent in value over the past 10 years.
https://www.usmef.org/international-markets/mexico/
"B-but I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford meat, trump and Namur told me!" </infinity 7 logic>
3% of US production, which includes some amount of Mexican cattle sent to the US to graze.
And the raw numbers mean little - how much is consumed per capita?
For generic meat consumption, the US consumes 279.1 #/person/year versus Mexico consuming 137.1 #/person/year. Will have to look harder for beef, but it is not looking good for your argument.
https://vegetarian.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004716
That is not my argument, and you know it.
My argument is that some states sell most of their stuff to Mexico.
MANY states produce corn or beef. Some may not do business with Mexico at all. For some reason Iowa is selling most of theirs to Mexico, and for some reason Texas is selling most of their meat to Mexico, perhaps because of their proximity, or the large number of Mexican-Americans there or the language.
I never said 90% of the entire USA, you're so dishonest
I never said you did. You said Texas sells 90% of their cattle to Mexico, which is bulls***. They send 74,000 head a year - hardly anything. 1,000 head a week easily go through the stockyard back home on Sundays.
You don't even know that people in Mexico love beef. He might not be right with that 90% mark, but your s***ty arguing tactics obfuscated that point because you just picked nonsense that didn't matter to argue about, ignoring the point of the conversation. Plus, tongue and hearts and other s*** count as beef too. We aren't solely exporting prime ribs...
You're very right.
Due to cultural reasons, we don't like eating organs (e.g. tongue, brains, heart) while Mexicans do. And before infinitys_7-stormfront says that's because they're savages, it's actually because they do it in Europe too (Mexico was a European colony after all). This means Texas can sell all of its tongues, hearts etc to Mexico as beef prices, while they'd be considered waste here.infinitys_7th posted...And the US consumes 55.7 lbs = 25.3 kg of beef per capita per year from the USDA.
Almost 70% more. Numbers are meaningless unless you have something to compare them to. They eat significantly less meat and beef.
You're being so weasely.
This was never a competition about who eats more beef or meat. Come on.SamuelHayden posted...You're very right.
Due to cultural reasons, we don't like eating organs (e.g. tongue, brains, heart) while Mexicans do. And before infinitys_7-stormfront says that's because they're savages, it's actually because they do it in Europe too (Mexico was a European colony after all). This means Texas can sell all of its tongues, hearts etc to Mexico as beef prices, while they'd be considered waste here.
How dare you.
I've worked with Mexico migrant workers before, and they are the ones who told me about Mexico.
One of them was a green card holder, and went back to Mexico to visit his mother in the hospital. The police kidnapped him, beat him up, and robbed him including his green card. His right leg was ruined as a result - he could barely walk, and had to have it amputated a couple years ago.
He never wanted to live in America - he wanted money to help his mom and pay the ridiculous taxes on their farm, but his country was and is a terrible mess due to the cartels (he was nearly kidnapped once in northern Mexic).
And, yeah, even with cheaper offal meat they still eat less beef per capita. How in the world is is "racist" to say a clearly impoverished country is impoverished?[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
And the US consumes 55.7 lbs = 25.3 kg of beef per capita per year from the USDA.
Almost 70% more. Numbers are meaningless unless you have something to compare them to. They eat significantly less meat and beef.
You're being so weasely.
This was never a competition about who eats more beef or meat. Come on.
EliteC claimed Mexico had a vibrant economy because they could import "90% of Texas beef" among other claims to indicate Mexico has a thriving economy.
The only thing that thrives there is corruption and parts of the cities. Most of the rest of the country is in rough shape beyond what you would ever believe.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)It's really the rich parts of Mexico City that are pushing up data like median income and GDP. Carlos Slim-Helu is like Rockefeller there, his net worth is crazy compared to the net worth of the average hombre."Another visitor! Stay a while! Stay forever!"infinitys_7th posted...SamuelHayden posted...
You're very right.
Due to cultural reasons, we don't like eating organs (e.g. tongue, brains, heart) while Mexicans do. And before infinitys_7-stormfront says that's because they're savages, it's actually because they do it in Europe too (Mexico was a European colony after all). This means Texas can sell all of its tongues, hearts etc to Mexico as beef prices, while they'd be considered waste here.
How dare you.
I've worked with Mexico migrant workers before, and they are the ones who told me about Mexico.
One of them was a green card holder, and went back to Mexico to visit his mother in the hospital. The police kidnapped him, beat him up, and robbed him including his green card. His right leg was ruined as a result - he could barely walk, and had to have it amputated a couple years ago.
He never wanted to live in America - he wanted money to help his mom and pay the ridiculous taxes on their farm, but his country was and is a terrible mess due to the cartels (he was nearly kidnapped once in northern Mexic).
And, yeah, even with cheaper offal meat they still eat less beef per capita. How in the world is is "racist" to say a clearly impoverished country is impoverished?
THE ARGUMENT WAS NEVER WHETHER THEY BUY MORE MEAT THAN US!!! Stop playing dumb.
Also I have a hard time believing these imaginary Mexicans would tell you "Hello senor infinity. We're too poor to afford meat, everyone in the country is too poor to afford beef! We eat fish heads and grains we find, like chickens senor infinity".
Your story is a jokeinfinitys_7th posted...SamuelHayden posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
And the US consumes 55.7 lbs = 25.3 kg of beef per capita per year from the USDA.
Almost 70% more. Numbers are meaningless unless you have something to compare them to. They eat significantly less meat and beef.
You're being so weasely.
This was never a competition about who eats more beef or meat. Come on.
EliteC claimed Mexico had a vibrant economy because they could import "90% of Texas beef" among other claims to indicate Mexico has a thriving economy.
The only thing that thrives there is corruption and parts of the cities. Most of the rest of the country is in rough shape beyond what you would ever believe.
He never claimed they had a vibrant economy. Stop lying. Show me the quote. He actually called them poor.SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
You're very right.
Due to cultural reasons, we don't like eating organs (e.g. tongue, brains, heart) while Mexicans do. And before infinitys_7-stormfront says that's because they're savages, it's actually because they do it in Europe too (Mexico was a European colony after all). This means Texas can sell all of its tongues, hearts etc to Mexico as beef prices, while they'd be considered waste here.
How dare you.
I've worked with Mexico migrant workers before, and they are the ones who told me about Mexico.
One of them was a green card holder, and went back to Mexico to visit his mother in the hospital. The police kidnapped him, beat him up, and robbed him including his green card. His right leg was ruined as a result - he could barely walk, and had to have it amputated a couple years ago.
He never wanted to live in America - he wanted money to help his mom and pay the ridiculous taxes on their farm, but his country was and is a terrible mess due to the cartels (he was nearly kidnapped once in northern Mexic).
And, yeah, even with cheaper offal meat they still eat less beef per capita. How in the world is is "racist" to say a clearly impoverished country is impoverished?
THE ARGUMENT WAS NEVER WHETHER THEY BUY MORE MEAT THAN US!!! Stop playing dumb.
Also I have a hard time believing these imaginary Mexicans would tell you "Hello senor infinity. We're too poor to afford meat, everyone in the country is too poor to afford beef! We eat fish heads and grains we find, like chickens senor infinity".
Your story is a joke
He worked tobacco with me on my parents farm years ago. My parents only hired Mexican labor with green cards.
He did most of the topping and, later in the season, staking and hung tobacco stakes in the barn while I piled stalks together and handed stakes up to him. I could care less if you believe me or not.
And I never said that he mentioned their meat consumption (although he did say that hamburgers were more expensive there - he loved a local chain's burger and chili dog). He just told me what a terrible place it is to try to live, which is one of the reasons I want the US to legalize all drugs and break the cartels.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Mexico calling out Trump's immaturity in a politically professional manner. Awesome x10.Meet Captain Euro, the coolest superhero this side of Aquaman!~~Portal of Evil
[Disillusioned Independent]infinitys_7th posted...EliteC claimed Mexico had a vibrant economy
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EliteC posted...Yes there poor, but your argument that they're too poor to trade or afford a sausage is ridiculous
You're full of itSamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
And the US consumes 55.7 lbs = 25.3 kg of beef per capita per year from the USDA.
Almost 70% more. Numbers are meaningless unless you have something to compare them to. They eat significantly less meat and beef.
You're being so weasely.
This was never a competition about who eats more beef or meat. Come on.
EliteC claimed Mexico had a vibrant economy because they could import "90% of Texas beef" among other claims to indicate Mexico has a thriving economy.
The only thing that thrives there is corruption and parts of the cities. Most of the rest of the country is in rough shape beyond what you would ever believe.
He never claimed they had a vibrant economy. Stop lying. Show me the quote. He actually called them poor.
He claimed they were better off than the average person in China.
China probably has a higher percentage of middle class people in the US sense than Mexico does.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
EliteC claimed Mexico had a vibrant economy
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EliteC posted...Yes there poor, but your argument that they're too poor to trade or afford a sausage is ridiculous
You're full of it
I never said that can't afford a sausage - I said they consume substantially less.
Which they do.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
You're very right.
Due to cultural reasons, we don't like eating organs (e.g. tongue, brains, heart) while Mexicans do. And before infinitys_7-stormfront says that's because they're savages, it's actually because they do it in Europe too (Mexico was a European colony after all). This means Texas can sell all of its tongues, hearts etc to Mexico as beef prices, while they'd be considered waste here.
How dare you.
I've worked with Mexico migrant workers before, and they are the ones who told me about Mexico.
One of them was a green card holder, and went back to Mexico to visit his mother in the hospital. The police kidnapped him, beat him up, and robbed him including his green card. His right leg was ruined as a result - he could barely walk, and had to have it amputated a couple years ago.
He never wanted to live in America - he wanted money to help his mom and pay the ridiculous taxes on their farm, but his country was and is a terrible mess due to the cartels (he was nearly kidnapped once in northern Mexic).
And, yeah, even with cheaper offal meat they still eat less beef per capita. How in the world is is "racist" to say a clearly impoverished country is impoverished?
THE ARGUMENT WAS NEVER WHETHER THEY BUY MORE MEAT THAN US!!! Stop playing dumb.
Also I have a hard time believing these imaginary Mexicans would tell you "Hello senor infinity. We're too poor to afford meat, everyone in the country is too poor to afford beef! We eat fish heads and grains we find, like chickens senor infinity".
Your story is a joke
Lmao lmao lmao I laughed so hardSenor infinity, stop weaseling. Here is what the argument has always been about:
Certain INDIVIDUAL STATES do export most (or at least a substantial amount) of their items to Mexico. Texas, Iowa and WI are examples, but just that, examples.
Even if I were wrong and any of those 3 examples were wrong, my point would still stand.
The argument isn't whether Mexico eats more beef than we do or whether you have an anecdotal Mexican co worker who would tell you he used to peck at the ground looking for grains like chickens do and now he eats burgers because here he can finally afford meat. The argument isn't whether it's 9 or 90% of texas' beef exports.Trump: "The wall just got 10 feet higher!"
Mexico: "We're not going to pay for your stupid wall either!"
Trump: "Nevermind, we will renegotiate NAFTA, the worst deal in human history!"
Mexico: "...""Another visitor! Stay a while! Stay forever!"this is why I have him on ignore
I only see him through other postsSwitch FC: SW-0826-5923-7882 NNID: Seadrake
It is a remake, not my fault you people think ports are remakes (but only on Nintendo systems)-Demondog666Genericgamer667 posted...this is why I have him on ignore
I only see him through other posts
Who? Senor infinity? hahahaEliteC posted...Senor infinity, stop weaseling. Here is what the argument has always been about:
Certain INDIVIDUAL STATES do export most (or at least a substantial amount) of their items to Mexico. Texas, Iowa and WI are examples, but just that, examples.
Even if I were wrong and any of those 3 examples were wrong, my point would still stand.
The argument isn't whether Mexico eats more beef than we do or whether you have an anecdotal Mexican co worker who would tell you he used to peck at the ground looking for grains like chickens do and now he eats burgers because here he can finally afford meat. The argument isn't whether it's 9 or 90% of texas' beef exports.
Really, stop with the racism nonsense. I never said any of that s*** and you know it.
We already found it was 3% of Mexico's beef comes from Texas, which is 74,000 head a year. Most of your numbers are likely similarly inflated as well.
And you know what? Production can be scaled back to meet the market. Corn farmers burn their product already to maintain costs - what is the difference if they burn a little less?
If it takes us to a better, freer economy, then a little pain is fine. People make that same argument about bringing in low-skilled labor as well - we know it depresses wages and hurts people short term, but the long term may be better.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...EliteC posted...
Senor infinity, stop weaseling. Here is what the argument has always been about:
Certain INDIVIDUAL STATES do export most (or at least a substantial amount) of their items to Mexico. Texas, Iowa and WI are examples, but just that, examples.
Even if I were wrong and any of those 3 examples were wrong, my point would still stand.
The argument isn't whether Mexico eats more beef than we do or whether you have an anecdotal Mexican co worker who would tell you he used to peck at the ground looking for grains like chickens do and now he eats burgers because here he can finally afford meat. The argument isn't whether it's 9 or 90% of texas' beef exports.
Really, stop with the racism nonsense. I never said any of that s*** and you know it.
We already found it was 3% of Mexico's beef comes from Texas, which is 74,000 head a year. Most of your numbers are likely similarly inflated as well.
And you know what? Production can be scaled back to meet the market. Corn farmers burn their product already to maintain costs - what is the difference if they burn a little less?
If it takes us to a better, freer economy, then a little pain is fine. People make that same argument about bringing in low-skilled labor as well - we know it depresses wages and hurts people short term, but the long term may be better.
Wow, you've been called OVER AND OVER to stop weaseling from the argument at hand and you keep laser focusing on it. Sad!SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
EliteC posted...
Senor infinity, stop weaseling. Here is what the argument has always been about:
Certain INDIVIDUAL STATES do export most (or at least a substantial amount) of their items to Mexico. Texas, Iowa and WI are examples, but just that, examples.
Even if I were wrong and any of those 3 examples were wrong, my point would still stand.
The argument isn't whether Mexico eats more beef than we do or whether you have an anecdotal Mexican co worker who would tell you he used to peck at the ground looking for grains like chickens do and now he eats burgers because here he can finally afford meat. The argument isn't whether it's 9 or 90% of texas' beef exports.
Really, stop with the racism nonsense. I never said any of that s*** and you know it.
We already found it was 3% of Mexico's beef comes from Texas, which is 74,000 head a year. Most of your numbers are likely similarly inflated as well.
And you know what? Production can be scaled back to meet the market. Corn farmers burn their product already to maintain costs - what is the difference if they burn a little less?
If it takes us to a better, freer economy, then a little pain is fine. People make that same argument about bringing in low-skilled labor as well - we know it depresses wages and hurts people short term, but the long term may be better.
Wow, you've been called OVER AND OVER to stop weaseling from the argument at hand and you keep laser focusing on it. Sad!
"Trade with Mexico is a big deal!"
"No, it's not, and here are the numbers for it."
"Quit weaseling!1!!"[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)Ok Senor @infinitys_7th, try weaseling around this:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-09/a-map-like-this-persuaded-trump-to-save-nafta-for-now
Texas has a 16 (or 17?) BILLION DOLLAR trade surplus with mexico. OH and LA have a 6 billion surplus too.
You'd be crazy to say that losing 17 billion dollars just like that, or 6 billion for a smaller state like OH would be desirable.
Look at this, senor infinity: http://nppc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/NAFTAReport05-24-17.pdf
Arkansas exports $837 million in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is the state's second largest export
market.
California
California exports $26.8 billion in goods to Mexico. It is the second biggest export state to Mexico, and
Mexico is the state’s largest export market.
Colorado
Colorado exports $1.1 billion in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is the state’s second largest export market.
Colorado exports $129 million of industrial machinery to Mexico, making it the third biggest market for
this product.
Delaware
Delaware exports $146 million in goods to Mexico. Mexico is the second largest export market for
Delaware’s plastics
Georgia
Georgia exports $3.5 billion in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is Georgia’s second largest export market.
Hawaii
Mexico is the second largest market for Hawaii’s primary metal manufacturing.
Illinois
Mexico is Illinois’ second largest export market
I could copy and past LITERALLY 50 quotes like that or more.
Iowa
Iowa exports $2.1 billion in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is Iowa’s second largest export market.
Mexico is Iowa’s largest corn export market, generating $466 million and accounting for 48 percent of all
Iowa’s corn exports. (Seems like EliteC was right!)
Kansas
Kansas exports $1.8 billion in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is Kansas’s third largest export market.
Transportation equipment is Kansas’ strongest export industry to Mexico, accounting for $560 million in
revenue annually and 31 percent of total exports to Mexico. Its key farm exports are wheat, beef,
soybeans and feed grains. (I thought Mexicans were too poor to afford beef and pecked at the ground like chicken looking for grains?) Trade with Mexico supports almost 48,000 jobs, and Mexican investment
Texas
Texas exports $95 billion in exports to Mexico. It is the top exporting state to Mexico, and Mexico is
Texas largest export market. (I thought they were too poor to be a significant trade partner, senor infinity?) One out of every three dollars that Texas earns in total export revenue comes from Mexico. Computers and electronic products make up 26 percent of Texas exports to
Mexico, generating $24.4 billion annually. Transportation equipment is Texas second largest export industry to Mexico, surpassing $11.5 billion annually. Mexico is also Texas largest export market of oil refined products, exceeding $10.7 billion. The states main farm exports include cotton, wheat, beef,
dairy products, chicken, corn, rice and tree nuts.
There you go. You can repeat the 90% beef thing like a broken record, that was never eliteC's argument, but you made things worse for your own argument now, turns out that mexico is the 2nd top or 3rd top export destination for MANY, MANY US states, and beef is one of their main exports consistently. And not only that, they also buy more expensive stuff such as heavy machinery.
Turns out 1 out of every 3 Texas export dollars come from mexico. Far more than just buying some cows ;)infinitys_7th posted..."Trade with Mexico is a big deal!"
"No, it's not, and here are the numbers for it."
"Quit weaseling!1!!"
You like numbers huh?
Texas
Texas exports $95 billion in exports to Mexico. It is the top exporting state to Mexico, and Mexico is
Texas’ largest export market. One out of every three dollars that Texas earns in total export revenue
comes from Mexico. Computers and electronic products make up 26 percent of Texas’ exports to
Mexico, generating $24.4 billion annually. Transportation equipment is Texas’ second largest export
industry to Mexico, surpassing $11.5 billion annually. Mexico is also Texas’ largest export market of oil
refined products, exceeding $10.7 billion. The state’s main farm exports include cotton, wheat, beef,
dairy products, chicken, corn, rice and tree nuts. Trade with Mexico supports over 382,000 jobs, and
Mexican investment supports over 20,000 jobs in the state.
California exports $26.8 billion in goods to Mexico. It is the second biggest export state to Mexico, and
Mexico is the state’s largest export market. Computer and electronic products exported to Mexico
generate over $6.7 billion in revenue for California. Mexico is also the largest export market for
transportation equipment, generating $2.9 billion annually. Major farm exports from California include
tree nuts, fruits, dairy, rice, cotton and beef. Trade with Mexico supports nearly 566,000 jobs, and
Mexican investment supports nearly 13,300 jobs in the state.
Georgia
Georgia exports $3.5 billion in goods to Mexico, and Mexico is Georgia’s second largest export market.
Electrical equipment exported to Mexico generates $367 million in revenue for the state, accounting for
17 percent of the state’s global electrical equipment exports. Its principal farm exports are cotton, poultry products, peanuts and tree nuts. Trade with Mexico supports nearly 153,000 jobs, and Mexican
investment supports over 3,900
Illinois
Illinois exports $9.1 billion in goods to Mexico. It is the fifth biggest export state to Mexico, and Mexico
is Illinois’ second largest export market. $1 billion in machinery and $1.5 billion in transportation
equipment are exported to Mexico, and 34 percent of the state’s global primary metal manufacturing
exports go to Mexico. Illinois’s key farm exports are corn, soybeans and products and pork. Trade with
Mexico supports over 200,000 jobs, and Mexican investment supports 1,800 jobs in the state.
Maryland
Maryland exports $442 million in goods to Mexico. Computers and electronics account for 32 percent of
Maryland’s exports to Mexico, and chemicals are also an important export to Mexico. Maryland’s main
farm exports are soybeans, chicken, wheat and corn. Trade with Mexico supports over 96,000 jobs, and
Mexican investment supports over 360 jobs in the state.
New York
New York exports $3.1 billion in goods to Mexico. Machinery is New York’s largest export industry to
Mexico, generating $828 million. Mexico is New York’s largest export market for jewelry made with
precious and semi-precious stones. With 424,000 annual visitors, Mexicans rank among New York
City’s top 10 international travelers. New York’s main farm exports are dairy products and fruits and
vegetables. Trade with Mexico supports over 322,000 jobs, and Mexican investment supports nearly
5,600 jobs in the stateAnd how much does Mexico owe the US in comparison?[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)You don't need NAFTA to do trade with Mexico @_@
Ever heard of free trade?"Another visitor! Stay a while! Stay forever!"@infinitys_7th:
"Regarding Retaliation:
Mexico currently purchases over $185 billion worth of products from the United States.
These products involve everything from automotive parts, iron, plastics, and chemicals to
agricultural products and computers. A U.S. withdrawal from NAFTA might prompt Mexico
to place a retaliatory tariff on all U.S. imports to that country, making these goods more
expensive for producers in Mexico to purchase them. When U.S. goods become more costly
due to increased tariffs, companies will look to suppliers in other countries—and Mexico has
favored nation trading status with 46 other countries through existing free trade agreements."
Source: http://nppc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/NAFTAReport05-24-17.pdf
185 billion! Not too shabby for a bunch of guys wearing lolicloths and sombreros pecking at the ground for grains huh? (mods - I am making fun of how he sees them, I am not saying they are that).
Just to put things in perspective, the entire national economy of croatia is 50 millions. The entire national economy of Puerto Rico is 101,304 million. NEW ZEALAND'S ECONOMY IS 184,304 millions (there goes your white power!). The national economy of Saudi Arabia is 639,617 million.
Are you sure trade with Mexico is small potatoes? Do you still think they peck at the ground like chickens looking for grains?
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)infinitys_7th posted...And how much does Mexico owe the US in comparison?
That was never the point. Nobody brought this up.
You literally said they were too poor to afford meat. EliteC said that the effects of shutting down NAFTA would affect some states disproportionately, e.g. Texas, WI and Kansas, and he was right.DAYUM!
Senor infinity, the numbers aren't looking good!SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
And how much does Mexico owe the US in comparison?
That was never the point. Nobody brought this up.
You literally said they were too poor to afford meat. EliteC said that the effects of shutting down NAFTA would affect some states disproportionately, e.g. Texas, WI and Kansas, and he was right.
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Any of that could arise on its own.
It just needs to be destroyed to free the US and Mexico and Canada to do what they again.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...SamuelHayden posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
And how much does Mexico owe the US in comparison?
That was never the point. Nobody brought this up.
You literally said they were too poor to afford meat. EliteC said that the effects of shutting down NAFTA would affect some states disproportionately, e.g. Texas, WI and Kansas, and he was right.
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Any of that could arise on its own.
It just needs to be destroyed to free the US and Mexico and Canada to do what they again.
You don't get to re-frame the argument and move the goalposts 90 times just because you're a special little snowflake.
Your racist "senor infinity we peck at the floor like chickens and we're too poor to buy beef" and "they're too f***ing poor to be an important trade partner" arguments have been debunked.
Just say it with me, "they can buy beef". Come on.infinitys_7th posted...NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Wow. LMAO.SamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Wow. LMAO.
Senor infinity: "NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy"
https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/naftas-economic-impactNAFTA fundamentally reshaped North American economic relations, driving an unprecedented integration between Canada and the United States’ developed economies and Mexico, a developing country. ... It encouraged a more than tripling of regional trade and cross-border investment between the three countries also grew significantly.... Economists largely agree that NAFTA has provided benefits to the North American economies. Regional trade increased sharply [PDF] over the treaty’s first two decades, from roughly $290 billion in 1993 to more than $1.1 trillion in 2016.
Canada and Mexico are the two largest destinations for U.S. exports, accounting for more than a third of the total. Most estimates conclude that the deal had a modest but positive impact on U.S. GDP of less than 0.5 percent, or a total addition of up to $80 billion dollars to the U.S. economy upon full implementation, or several billion dollars of added growth per year.
You're digging a deeper hole dude, just stopinfinitys_7th posted...NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
.....
Dude, just stop alreadySamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
And how much does Mexico owe the US in comparison?
That was never the point. Nobody brought this up.
You literally said they were too poor to afford meat. EliteC said that the effects of shutting down NAFTA would affect some states disproportionately, e.g. Texas, WI and Kansas, and he was right.
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Any of that could arise on its own.
It just needs to be destroyed to free the US and Mexico and Canada to do what they again.
You don't get to re-frame the argument and move the goalposts 90 times just because you're a special little snowflake.
Your racist "senor infinity we peck at the floor like chickens and we're too poor to buy beef" and "they're too f***ing poor to be an important trade partner" arguments have been debunked.
Just say it with me, "they can buy beef". Come on.
I never said they could not. I said they buy significantly less than the US per capita.
Which they do.
Poorer countries naturally eat less meat because meat is more expensive, especially beef. Where is all this money? Why are people fleeing the country in droves, risking life and limb to do so? NAFTA puts more money in the corrupt state officials coffers and in the cartels vaults than in the average Mexican citizens pocket.
Hell, most of it is likely a scheme anyway - we ship raw materials there which US companies (sent there by NAFTA) assemble and sell back at added value. It's a f***ing Ponzi scheme.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)The Great Muta 22 posted...infinitys_7th posted...
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
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Dude, just stop already
It can't. It's just a bunch of regulations. What the hell can it do but ruin people's lives?
That's all that interventionism ever does - profit off the poor and middle class and make up ever changing metrics to tell them how much better off they are as they keep more and more entrapped. f*** macroeconomics.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
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Dude, just stop already
It can't. It's just a bunch of regulations. What the hell can it do but ruin people's lives?
Now you're going to steathly try to move the debate into "has nafta been positive for EVERYBODY?" Territory.
Me gusta, Senor infinity.Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.I will try and see it from your point of view, but I doubt we'll be able to fit both our heads up there.infinitys_7th posted...
If its destroyed then the big winner is China as far as I can tell.
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Any of that could arise on its own.
It just needs to be destroyed to free the US and Mexico and Canada to do what they again.
Basically NAFTA made us lose manufacturing jobs to Mexico instead of China and brought the illegal farmer from Mexico up to America where we subsidize and protect our farmers.
Its a little late in the game for a full pull out of NAFTAThat just raises further questionsEllesarien posted...Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.
The senor infinity "pecking for grains like chicken" trophy probably looks like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpgspiralofnine posted...infinitys_7th posted...
If its destroyed then the big winner is China as far as I can tell.
NAFTA does nothing. It has no effect on the economy.
Any of that could arise on its own.
It just needs to be destroyed to free the US and Mexico and Canada to do what they again.
Basically NAFTA made us lose manufacturing jobs to Mexico instead of China and brought the illegal farmer from Mexico up to America where we subsidize and protect our farmers.
Its a little late in the game for a full pull out of NAFTA
Things are failing, so we need to prop them up rather than let them change.
Why are neolibs conservative?
And it is obviously never too late. Whatever happens just happens. No one will care in 10 years or maybe even 5. Stopping adaption is dangerous.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
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infinitys_7th posted...Things are failing, so we need to prop them up rather than let them change.
Are they actually failing relative to the alternative?
Why are neolibs conservative?That just raises further questionsspiralofnine posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Things are failing, so we need to prop them up rather than let them change.
Are they actually failing relative to the alternative?
Why are neolibs conservative?
Is anything really failing if it is just how the cards fall?[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)SamuelHayden posted...Ellesarien posted...
Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.
The senor infinity "pecking for grains like chicken" trophy probably looks like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpg
I'm wondering just how much of the racism thing is a projection on your part.
I see a poor country victimized by the US in multiple ways, and you say we know what is best for them by shuffling around money they never actually see.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...SamuelHayden posted...
Ellesarien posted...
Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.
The senor infinity "pecking for grains like chicken" trophy probably looks like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpg
I'm wondering just how much of the racism thing is a projection on your part.
I see a poor country victimized by the US in multiple ways, and you say we know what is best for them by shuffling around money they never actually see.
A poor country victimized that can't afford to buy a single steakinfinitys_7th posted...Is anything really failing if it is just how the cards fall?
A lot more cards would fall towards China. I don't see how that addresses any of the main economical issues that we face in the US.
Imagine US farmers losing out to Mexico and Mexico losing its manufacturing to China. US is a loser in this scenarioThat just raises further questionsSamuelHayden posted...infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Ellesarien posted...
Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.
The senor infinity "pecking for grains like chicken" trophy probably looks like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpg
I'm wondering just how much of the racism thing is a projection on your part.
I see a poor country victimized by the US in multiple ways, and you say we know what is best for them by shuffling around money they never actually see.
A poor country victimized that can't afford to buy a single steak
I never said that.
It gets more and more hilarious that you think saying poor countries consume less meat is "racist". It's almost like people get calories based on their resources, and meats cost a ton compared to beans and other plant-plant-based foods.
Why was that phrase so forefront in your mind, anyway? Makes me wonder how you think of them.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)spiralofnine posted...infinitys_7th posted...
Is anything really failing if it is just how the cards fall?
A lot more cards would fall towards China. I don't see how that addresses any of the main economical issues that we face in the US.
Imagine US farmers losing out to Mexico and Mexico losing its manufacturing to China. US is a loser in this scenario
And like I said, people would just adapt.
Maybe the US would stop eating as much meat as prices increased. Maybe the US would have an organic culture shift and decide to buy locally. Maybe the US would just fail. Maybe any of those are actually better in the long run than NAFTA.[=[_]=] (+.|__|.+) PS3 (Persona 5)
[+[_]+] 3DS (Ace Attorney Investigations: Prosecutor's Path)infinitys_7th posted...SamuelHayden posted...
infinitys_7th posted...
SamuelHayden posted...
Ellesarien posted...
Infinity is always so f***ing wrong about everything he tries to talk about on here. There has to be some sort of award for that.
The senor infinity "pecking for grains like chicken" trophy probably looks like this: http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/spongebobicon.jpg
I'm wondering just how much of the racism thing is a projection on your part.
I see a poor country victimized by the US in multiple ways, and you say we know what is best for them by shuffling around money they never actually see.
A poor country victimized that can't afford to buy a single steak
I never said that.
It gets more and more hilarious that you think saying poor countries consume less meat is "racist". It's almost like people get calories based on their resources, and meats cost a ton compared to beans and other plant-plant-based foods.
Why was that phrase so forefront in your mind, anyway? Makes me wonder how you think of them.
Lol he is using the Ann coulter style "no U!" Thing.
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