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Trump administration set to roll back Obama's climate plan.

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https://www.yahoo.com/news/epa-chief-says-administration-roll-150239621.html

EPA Administrator Scott Pruitt says the Trump administration will abandon the Obama-era clean power plan aimed at reducing global warming.

Speaking in Kentucky on Monday, Pruitt said he will sign a proposed rule on Tuesday "to withdraw the so-called clean power plan of the past administration."

The clean power plan aimed to restrict greenhouse gas emissions from coal-fired power plants. It was a centerpiece of the Obama administration's environmental policies.

The Environmental Protection Agency is expected to declare the Obama-era rule exceeded federal law by setting emissions standards that power plants could not reasonably meet.

Pruitt said the EPA should not use its authority "to say to you we are going to declare war on any sector of our economy."

*sigh*
Climate's a lie wake up sheeple
Antifar 3 days ago#3
This is bad. It is not good.
kin to all that throbs
Phantom_Nook 3 days ago#4
"Obama did it, so we have to get rid of it."
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Spooking 3 days ago#5
Obama tried to overreach, and the current administration is just correcting past wrongs.
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courier_nv 3 days ago#6
humanity . is . doomed .
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Phantom_Nook posted...
"Obama did it, so we have to get rid of it."
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HylianFox 3 days ago#10
GOP is basically "let's undo everything Obama did and call it an administration"
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Truly the strangest timeline when China looks like a progressive clean country by comparison.
Hoot! O_O
MildlyIrkedOwl posted...
Truly the strangest timeline when China looks like a progressive clean country by comparison.

No, the strangest timeline is when it's India.
Solar_Crimson 2 days ago#13
Mikablu  ATTACK2 days ago#14
Solar_Crimson posted...
BUMP this up.

(We can't have posts with just "BUMP" anymore?)

Not in all caps, like it's been for a few years now.
LolTownz 2 days ago#15
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this
metralo 2 days ago#16
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb
Spooking posted...
Obama tried to overreach, and the current administration is just correcting past wrongs.
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ImAMarvel 2 days ago#18
I hate this f***ing administration so much.
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LolTownz 2 days ago#19
metralo posted...
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb


only because instead of learning, the left keeps going deeper and deeper into identity politics insanity
LolTownz posted...
metralo posted...
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb


only because instead of learning, the left keeps going deeper and deeper into identity politics insanity


Oh please. Go spew that nonsense somewhere else.
voldothegr8 2 days ago#21
Good
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 days ago#22
LolTownz 2 days ago#23
Pitbuller_26 posted...
LolTownz posted...
metralo posted...
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb


only because instead of learning, the left keeps going deeper and deeper into identity politics insanity


Oh please. Go spew that nonsense somewhere else.


want another 4 years of trump? keep doubling down on identity

want someone good? go back to being about the economy and the environment and healthcare
sellerdore 2 days ago#24
From what I understand (which admittedly is very little)...the EPA under Obama's administration grew its power far beyond what was originally intended for the office, so that it was overstepping its powers to legislate environmental protections for states, rather than letting states decide for themselves. So while the ends (reduce global warming) may be noble, the means (more or less unfettered power for the EPA) was a dangerous move and needed to be reversed
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 days ago#26
LordRazziel 2 days ago#27
DifferentialEquation posted...
Spooking posted...
Obama tried to overreach, and the current administration is just correcting past wrongs.

Why was it overreach?
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HypnoCoosh 2 days ago#28
UnholyMudcrab posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
f*** obama

That was pretty weak.

oh sorry f*** Trump

did I do it right?
We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
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LolTownz 2 days ago#29
sellerdore posted...
From what I understand (which admittedly is very little)...the EPA under Obama's administration grew its power far beyond what was originally intended for the office, so that it was overstepping its powers to legislate environmental protections for states, rather than letting states decide for themselves. So while the ends (reduce global warming) may be noble, the means (more or less unfettered power for the EPA) was a dangerous move and needed to be reversed


you're wasting your breath, tbqh. the people here are never going to be okay with less government in any capacity.
VipaGTS  make friends2 days ago#30
Obama took us 3 steps forward. Dumbass (aka Trump) taking us 30 steps backwards.
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sellerdore 2 days ago#32
LordRazziel posted...
Why was it overreach?

https://www.wsj.com/articles/pruitts-clean-power-break-1507489415

Opinion piece, sure, but consider the following:

The Obama EPA imposed the rule in 2015 to regulate carbon emissions nationwide and force the retirement of coal-fired electric power plants. Former EPA chief Gina McCarthy took creative license by reinterpreting Section 111 of the Clean Air Act, which directs the agency to implement the “best system of emission reduction” for pollutants.

EPA had previously applied this provision narrowly to single sources of emissions (e.g., individual power plants), but Ms. McCarthy broke with decades of precedent to dictate a systemic shift in power generation. The Clean Power Plan initially requires new efficiency at coal-fired plants, but over time it impels states to substitute coal with natural gas and ultimately solar and wind.

This usurped the regulatory role of states and contradicted the Clean Air Act text, which says that “air pollution control at its source is the primary responsibility of States and local governments.” The Clean Power Plan would have forced states to scramble to alter their electric-power mix, shutting down coal plants long before the end of their useful life regardless of whether substitutes were on hand and affordable. Higher electricity costs and brownouts were likely.

The Supreme Court stayed the rule in February 2016 after 27 states and 37 electric co-ops sued. In March Mr. Pruitt launched a formal review of the rule, and a draft of the EPA’s new analysis that we’ve seen estimates that rescinding the carbon rule would save $33 billion in compliance costs by 2030.

It also finds that the Obama EPA rigged the cost-benefit calculations. For example, the McCarthy EPA claimed tangential benefits from reductions of other emissions like particulate matter that could have been achieved with less heavy-handed regulation. U.S. social costs were compared against global climate benefits.

Ms. McCarthy also assumed linear health benefits from emissions reductions notwithstanding diminishing returns. In violation of the Office and Management and Budget’s longstanding practice, energy efficiency was cited as an avoided cost rather than as a benefit. This allowed the Obama Administration to low-ball the rule’s cost estimate.
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UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 days ago#33
HypnoCoosh posted...
UnholyMudcrab posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
f*** obama

That was pretty weak.

oh sorry f*** Trump

did I do it right?

Did I strike a nerve? All I'm looking for is a little effort.

HypnoCoosh posted...
VipaGTS posted...
Obama took us 3 steps forward. Dumbass (aka Trump) taking us 30 steps backwards.

obama was a cuck

You really must be having a bad day.
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VipaGTS  make friends2 days ago#34
LolTownz posted...
sellerdore posted...
From what I understand (which admittedly is very little)...the EPA under Obama's administration grew its power far beyond what was originally intended for the office, so that it was overstepping its powers to legislate environmental protections for states, rather than letting states decide for themselves. So while the ends (reduce global warming) may be noble, the means (more or less unfettered power for the EPA) was a dangerous move and needed to be reversed


you're wasting your breath, tbqh. the people here are never going to be okay with less government in any capacity.

Spare me the “we just want less government” bull s***. Most people who say that are perfectly fine with more government as long as it goes along with something they want or support. Stop making it about “more or less” government and make t about what’s best for the country. If they are using their power to do something that isn’t good, don’t say “I disagree with this because we want less government!”...say “I disagree with this because this thing is bad...here’s why”...this fight for “less government” accomplished nothing and opens no dialog to the actual issues at hand.
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LolTownz 2 days ago#35
VipaGTS posted...
LolTownz posted...
sellerdore posted...
From what I understand (which admittedly is very little)...the EPA under Obama's administration grew its power far beyond what was originally intended for the office, so that it was overstepping its powers to legislate environmental protections for states, rather than letting states decide for themselves. So while the ends (reduce global warming) may be noble, the means (more or less unfettered power for the EPA) was a dangerous move and needed to be reversed


you're wasting your breath, tbqh. the people here are never going to be okay with less government in any capacity.

Spare me the “we just want less government” bull s***. Most people who say that are perfectly fine with more government as long as it goes along with something they want or support. Stop making it about “more or less” government and make t about what’s best for the country. If they are using their power to do something that isn’t good, don’t say “I disagree with this because we want less government!”...say “I disagree with this because this thing is bad...here’s why”...this fight for “less government” accomplished nothing and opens no dialog to the actual issues at hand.


holy strawman batman
jayj350 2 days ago#36
HylianFox posted...
GOP is basically "let's undo everything Obama did and call it an administration"

Soon to be followed by "lets undo everything the GOP did"
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tremain07 2 days ago#37
How long before they strike Obama from history books and say that Trump is the 44th president?
I got nothing
ImAMarvel posted...
I hate this f***ing administration so much.

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jayj350 2 days ago#39
ImAMarvel posted...
I hate this f***ing administration so much.

Don't worry because history will have the same opinion.
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HypnoCoosh 2 days ago#40
tremain07 posted...
they


who the boogie men?
We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
jayj350 posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
I hate this f***ing administration so much.

Don't worry because history will have the same opinion.

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Sayoria 2 days ago#42
UnholyMudcrab posted...
The appointment of Pruitt is the single worst thing Trump has done so far.


Agreed. When I watched the senate hearing for Pruitt and all the accusations, it scared me that such a man was going to be given this power. Someone who sued the EPA 19 times. A man who was part of the state administration in a state that has quake problems..... and isn't even on the edge of a tectonic plate. The s*** he has said.... it's just..... terrifying. And of course, the GOP allowed him in because "Hey, he is a Republican. That is all that matters" ... I am glad more GOP senators are finally seeing most of this bulls***. I feel like it is only going to get harder to push things through the senate now.
HypnoCoosh 2 days ago#43
x_SaintBoot_x posted...
jayj350 posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
I hate this f***ing administration so much.

Don't worry because history will have the same opinion.

SLy8xK9


Killed it!
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Were_Wyrm  awake to mic2 days ago#44
Better change your name to Coal_Crimson
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Tmaster148 2 days ago#45
metralo posted...
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb


It's an account from 2010 with 8 karma. 
Either it's a very inactive account or they just constantly get modded.
UnholyMudcrab  needs big 32 days ago#46
Tmaster148 posted...
metralo posted...
LolTownz posted...
this all could have been avoided if the left had prioritized the economy and the climate during the campaign

instead they doubled down on insane identity politics and bigotry, which now lead us to this


every time people say this it continues to get more and more dumb


It's an account from 2010 with 8 karma. 
Either it's a very inactive account or they just constantly get modded.

Probably an alt for another account that recently got suspended or something.
Bishop9800 2 days ago#47
HypnoCoosh posted...
obama was a cuck


To you. But to the world, Trump is the cuck.
I don't have to insult you. I have proven that you are a hypocrite and a fool. That's not insulting you, that's exposing you.
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Bishop9800 posted...
HypnoCoosh posted...
obama was a cuck


To you. But to the world, Trump is the cuck.

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Solar_Crimson 2 days ago#49
jayj350 posted...
ImAMarvel posted...
I hate this f***ing administration so much.

Don't worry because history will have the same opinion.

Yeah, this era will be seen as an embarrassment in the future.

Were_Wyrm posted...
Better change your name to Coal_Crimson

:/
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