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Mal_Fet posted...
Cruel Trump demanded that you stand. Pfffffffffftttttt I'm sure this sounded better in your head, Mal
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Doom_Art posted...
Mal_Fet posted... And also probably in the head of Frank Miller.
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"Failure to be on the field may result in disciplinary action by the League"
Doesn't say anything about discipline for kneeling or sitting.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Mal_Fet posted... http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352045-dem-calls-for-all-nfl-players-to-kneel-during-national-anthem
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Mal_Fet posted...
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352045-dem-calls-for-all-nfl-players-to-kneel-during-national-anthem "Hoping" they kneel is now demanding that they kneel? |
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Mal_Fet posted...
And also probably in the head of Frank Miller. the guy's f***ed in the head so probably
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Bullet_Wing posted... So, someone saying that they hope players kneel in solidarity vs someone whining that the NFL needs to fire the "sons of b****es"? Trump supporters really do immerse themselves in a fog of cognitive dissonance. |
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Bullet_Wing posted...
So, someone saying that they hope players kneel in solidarity vs someone whining that the NFL needs to fire the "sons of b****es"? But apparently "wouldn't it be great if" is the same as "they NEED to do this" lmao can't even stay consistent within one post
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"Federal government threatens to punish private entity whose politics they disagree with" is
A) the antithesis of everything Mal claims to stand for as a libertarian. B) What he is wholeheatedly supporting here https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/trump-nfl-jemele-hill.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
kin to all that throbs
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Antifar posted...
"Federal government threatens to punish private entity whose politics they disagree with" is Got em |
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Antifar posted...
"Federal government threatens to punish private entity whose politics they disagree with" is You're suggesting Mal isn't actually a libertarian and is really just a standard fall-in-line conservative with a slight authoritarian streak? well color me every shade of surprised
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Antifar posted...
"Federal government threatens to punish private entity whose politics they disagree with" is eliminate a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity. It's hilarious how Trump can do something that the left has wanted to do for years and still make them butthurt over it. Chalk up this one next to firing Comey.
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Mal with the mediocre dodge as always lmao
the real Irving Rameses
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Mal_Fet posted...
eliminate a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity. Exactly how is this a bad thing again?
We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
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Mal_Fet posted...
Chalk up this one next to firing Comey. you're still harping on that?
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HypnoCoosh posted... @myzz7 White owners pulling the strings on black people like playthings. Make us stand, make us kneel, whatever strikes your fancy. Nothing's changed since the Civil War. People like you have always extracted some weird delight from having power over African Americans. If keeping us in line weren't important to you, you would let us speak our minds without repression. |
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Mal_Fet posted... Apparently @Antifar and @Doom_Art think it is.
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what is it with conservatives and being unable to process context through their skulls
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Doom_Art posted...
what is it with conservatives and being unable to process context through their skulls Seriously though. Why is eliminating a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity bad?
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Antifar posted...
Doom_Art posted... Seriously though. Why is eliminating a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity bad?
We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. Lewis
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Why is eliminating a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity bad? Your question was already answered you likely didn't notice it because it would require applying context to a situation which you seem to be allergic to
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HypnoCoosh posted...
Doom_Art posted... While it's good to get the NFL to pay more taxes, Trump abusing his powers on people/organizations he doesn't like is very authoritarian. It sets a bad precedent and Presidents shouldn't be pulling threats like this. |
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@myzz7 White owners pulling the strings on black people like playthings. Make us stand, make us kneel, whatever strikes your fancy. Nothing's changed since the Civil War. People like you have always extracted some weird delight from having power over African Americans. If keeping us in line weren't important to you, you would let us speak our minds without repression. @Horus_DeMarcus They are employees. They have a choice to take it or leave it. Employers expect conduct profitable and appropriate to their organization. The rule has been in place for quite some time is now being enforced again. This is workplace issue - not a race issue. |
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Doom_Art posted...
what is it with conservatives and being unable to process context through their skulls The context is that the NFL is aligning itself along political lines, which makes it no longer able to claim a nonprofit tax exemption. This is the same reason churches aren't allowed to bring political bias into their sermons. What's the problem here? Are you guys suddenly against restricting tax-exempt entities from engaging in politics? I had no idea you agreed so much with redneck Bible-thumpers, @Doom_Art!
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Mal_Fet posted...
Bullet_Wing posted... Providing an argument on why you should do something is different from threatening you with career ending consequences if you do something. Of course you're using your typical incredible mental gymnastics on this one though.
Hoot! O_O
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Antifar posted...
Eliminating the law is fine (though here it should be noted that the NFL has waived its ability to avoid paying taxes two years ago.) But doing so as a means of quashing private dissent should trouble you. Mal_Fet posted... The context is that the NFL is aligning itself along political lines, which makes it no longer able to claim a nonprofit tax exemption. This is the same reason churches aren't allowed to bring political bias into their sermons. It's s*** like this that proves to all that you don;t actually hold any values. Your only real value is "my way or the highway".
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Mal_Fet posted...
Cruel Trump demanded that you stand. Lmao |
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The way I see as a corporate entity with government favoritism don't have an image that s***s on the American flag and pisses off a majority of people in the country if you want to keep getting that favoritism.
Fairest of nextest.
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Mal_Fet posted...
Your only real value is "my way or the highway" You're defending this while criticizing other people for having a "my way or the highway" attitude? The lack of self-awareness on your end is baffling
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Doom_Art posted...
Mal_Fet posted... @Doom_Art answer this: Mal_Fet posted... The context is that the NFL is aligning itself along political lines, which makes it no longer able to claim a nonprofit tax exemption. This is the same reason churches aren't allowed to bring political bias into their sermons.
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The NFL is not aligning itself along political lines. Certain players are.
The NFL just simply refuses to punish them
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Doom_Art posted...
The NFL is not aligning itself along political lines. Certain players are. And a company's employees' actions are the responsibility of their employer. That's why Wal-Mart can get sued if an employee of theirs harasses a customer. Any other irrelevant comments?
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Doom_Art posted...
The NFL is not aligning itself along political lines. Certain players are. Let's also not forget that this wouldn't even be as big as it is if the Snowflake in Chief hadn't started whining about it. Seriously, Kap and a handful of others were all that was originally doing it til Trump started acting triggered. |
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I mean I wouldn't say harassing a customer is quite the same as engaging in a protest (no matter how much said protest may offend you)
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Mal_Fet posted...
Doom_Art posted... Who are NFL players harassing by kneeling during the national anthem?
You won't like me when I'm angry.
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Doom_Art posted...
I mean I wouldn't say harassing a customer is quite the same as engaging in a protest (no matter how much said protest may offend you) When it comes to a company that's supposed to be apolitical in order to receive tax benefits tacitly allowing a politically-driven protest to continue being broadcast on their networks, yes, it does matter. Question: Would you support a church continuing to get tax-exemptions if one of the priests vehemently endorsed Trump during all his sermons, even if that one priest doesn't own the church?
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IncredibleHulk posted...
Mal_Fet posted... Yeah, I don't get why some people are getting so butthurt over it. It's not disrespecting the flag, contrary to uneducated opinion. |
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Mal_Fet posted...
When it comes to a company that's supposed to be apolitical in order to receive tax benefits Being apolitical isn't a requirement for them to be tax exempt. The NFL League Office is tax exempt because they don't conduct any money-making business. The NFL still pays taxes on all of its revenue.
You won't like me when I'm angry.
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Bullet_Wing posted...
Yeah, I don't get why some people are getting so butthurt over it. It's not disrespecting the flag, contrary to uneducated opinion. Indoctrination is a very powerful tool. |
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Horus_DeMarcus posted... It's a workplace issue you're inserting yourself into by coming down on the side of the (white, conservative) owners. Probably because you're a white conservative. |
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IncredibleHulk posted...Even so, being apolotical isn't a requirement for their league office to be tax exempt.
No but it isn't gonna help your situation to bite the hand that feeds.We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. LewisHypnoCoosh posted...Doom_Art posted...
what is it with conservatives and being unable to process context through their skulls
Seriously though.
Why is eliminating a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity bad?
There is something about conservatives these days where they love corruption.
It has a lot to do with why future generations will hate them so much.This is my signatureThe military is absolutely political. The fact that NFL players are even on the field during the anthem is the result of DoD advertising money. The word you're looking for, perhaps, is "divisive" or "partisan." The military generally is not those things, but it's political at its core.kin to all that throbsAntifar posted..."Federal government threatens to punish private entity whose politics they disagree with" is
A) the antithesis of everything Mal claims to stand for as a libertarian.
B) What he is wholeheatedly supporting here
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/trump-nfl-jemele-hill.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=cur
Mal isn't anywhere near a libertarian.
What did the fed threaten? As far as I've read Trump just said it would be great if the bosses fired the sobs. Which while still ridiculous isn't exactly ordering people.The gamefaqs moderation team knows dogs capable of being offended, cant laugh at a joke, and like to punish jokes that are acceptable on prime time TV pg shows.Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...Mal isn't anywhere near a libertarian.
He claims to be, and I like to give people the benefit of the doubt.
Cj_WlLL_VVlN posted...What did the fed threaten?
Read the link, where Trump is threatening tax-exempt status (which he seems unaware that the NFL isn't currently using)kin to all that throbsIncredibleHulk posted...Mal_Fet posted...
The military has no inherent political affiliation. Try again.
Even so, being apolotical isn't a requirement for their league office to be tax exempt.
Actually it is, to a large extent. The NFL is a 501c6 nonprofit, and there are certainly restrictions on how they may engage in politics.Freedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...shockthemonkey posted...
“Black people shouldn’t be treated poorly due to their race” is not a political position.
As if that's what the protest is about.
And here comes the real Mal to tell black people what they’re actually protesting.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.The NFL League office is tax exempt. It doesn't receive income from the NFL's revenue streams and is considered a non-profit. The NFL teams are for-profit and taxable. The NFL pays taxes on TV contracts, ticket sales, etc.
It's not hard to look this stuff up.You won't like me when I'm angry.Mal_Fet posted...Bullet_Wing posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Cruel Trump demanded that you stand.
Democrats require only that you kneel.
See, this is stupid because no one at all is insisting on anyone kneeling.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352045-dem-calls-for-all-nfl-players-to-kneel-during-national-anthem
How does a former representative speak for ALL democrats? Since you are making an positive claim, I would like proof that the majority of Democrats are asking for players to kneel (based on your rules for discussion in past topics)IncredibleHulk posted...The NFL League office is tax exempt. It doesn't receive income from the NFL's revenue streams and is considered a non-profit. The NFL teams are for-profit and taxable. The NFL pays taxes on TV contracts, ticket sales, etc.
It's not hard to look this stuff up.
It's not nearly that simple. Maybe you should have looked it up.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9342479/examining-nfl-tax-exempt-status-challenged-us-senator-tom-coburnFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellMal_Fet posted...It's not nearly that simple. Maybe you should have looked it up.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9342479/examining-nfl-tax-exempt-status-challenged-us-senator-tom-coburn
From your link:
"The NFL League Office is a not-for-profit organization. The NFL League Office receives funding from the 32 member clubs to cover its non-revenue overhead activities such as office rent, League Office salaries and game officiating. In addition, the NFL League Office collects revenues on behalf of the 32 member clubs and distributes those revenues to the clubs. All national revenues (e.g. broadcast TV payments) collected and paid to the member clubs, as well as local revenues earned individually by the clubs, are subject to tax at the club level."
Money generated from sources like NFL Network, national sponsorship deals and merchandise fall under the umbrella of a for-profit company called NFL Ventures, which is owned by the 32 teams, not by the league office. Accordingly, this money is already subject to taxation.After all of this has happened, will the left take a step back and think that maybe engaging in massive public shaming campaigns against corporations whenever one of their employees says something they don't like, treating it like the end of the world and pissing and moaning until said employee is fired and/or the company issues a public apology isn't the best idea?"If the day does not require an AK, it is good." The Great Warrior Poet, Ice CubeWay back in post 14
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/trump-nfl-jemele-hill.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=curThe tax break for the N.F.L. has been a point of controversy for years, and other conservatives have taken up the cause in recent weeks as the president has repeatedly assailed the league over the player protests. But the idea would be more about symbolism than impact. The tax break applies only to the central office, not the teams, which already pay taxes as for-profit organizations, and the N.F.L. voluntarily gave up the tax exemption for its league office in 2015.
kin to all that throbsCableZL posted...Mal_Fet posted...
It's not nearly that simple. Maybe you should have looked it up.
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9342479/examining-nfl-tax-exempt-status-challenged-us-senator-tom-coburn
From your link:
"The NFL League Office is a not-for-profit organization. The NFL League Office receives funding from the 32 member clubs to cover its non-revenue overhead activities such as office rent, League Office salaries and game officiating. In addition, the NFL League Office collects revenues on behalf of the 32 member clubs and distributes those revenues to the clubs. All national revenues (e.g. broadcast TV payments) collected and paid to the member clubs, as well as local revenues earned individually by the clubs, are subject to tax at the club level."
Money generated from sources like NFL Network, national sponsorship deals and merchandise fall under the umbrella of a for-profit company called NFL Ventures, which is owned by the 32 teams, not by the league office. Accordingly, this money is already subject to taxation.
Also from the link:The NFL's exemption has a long history. Section 501(c)(6) was amended following the AFL-NFL merger in 1966 to include "professional football leagues (whether or not administering a pension fund for football players)," language to make clear that the league was still qualified under the section, despite paying pension benefits to individuals. However, professional sports leagues were already qualified under that section prior to the additional language. Major League Baseball has since given up its exemption, in 2007, reportedly because of changes to the code that required disclosure of executive salaries. The NBA has never been tax exempt.
In addition to depriving the federal government of tax revenue with its exemption, Coburn points out in his report the NFL is also able to use the exemption to avoid some city and state taxes.
"[T]he NFL may have lived every taxpayer's dream at this year's Super Bowl in Indianapolis. According to the Indianapolis Business Journal, 'Hotels and restaurants [did not tax] National Football League employees. … The NFL [used] its tax-exempt status as a 501(c)(6) to avoid paying taxes, in addition to fuel, auto rental and admissions taxes.'"
Coburn's report says the NFL and NHL alone "may" generate an additional $91 million annually for the federal governmentFreedom is the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
-George OrwellHypnoCoosh posted...Mal_Fet posted...
eliminate a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity.
Exactly how is this a bad thing again?
The revenue was already taxed by the teams and you know that the NFL won't just eat the loss they'll raise prices more further impacting the middle class by making an entertainment avenue more expensiveIf you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at allAntifar posted...Way back in post 14
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/10/us/politics/trump-nfl-jemele-hill.html?smid=tw-nytimes&smtyp=curThe tax break for the N.F.L. has been a point of controversy for years, and other conservatives have taken up the cause in recent weeks as the president has repeatedly assailed the league over the player protests. But the idea would be more about symbolism than impact. The tax break applies only to the central office, not the teams, which already pay taxes as for-profit organizations, and the N.F.L. voluntarily gave up the tax exemption for its league office in 2015.
Hah
Yeah, looks like the NFL's league office isn't actually tax exempt any more any way
http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/12780874/nfl-league-office-gives-tax-exempt-statusOkay, as an outsider, I so far understand that kneeling is a demonstration, a non-verbal protest to raise awareness of injustices. They're not chanting for the country to be condemned to the lowest pits of hell while throwing their fists in the air and trying to incite a riot on the field. Kneeling is principally a harmless gesture. Yet, some people don't accept that as what it is, but instead, throw a hissy fit about how kneeling is "disrespectful to the flag and the soldiers" and whatnot. These people should get over themselves, grow a thicker skin, and stop acting like kneeling during the anthem is a most heinous amalgamation of treason and sacrilege.Sigs are rather pointless, except if it's to showcase animation and images.Thompson posted...Okay, as an outsider, I so far understand that kneeling is a demonstration, a non-verbal protest to raise awareness of injustices. They're not chanting for the country to be condemned to the lowest pits of hell while throwing their fists in the air and trying to incite a riot on the field. Kneeling is principally a harmless gesture. Yet, some people don't accept that as what it is, but instead, throw a hissy fit about how kneeling is "disrespectful to the flag and the soldiers" and whatnot. These people should get over themselves, grow a thicker skin, and stop acting like kneeling during the anthem is a most heinous amalgamation of treason and sacrilege.
They should also stop projecting their outrage onto the military as if the military is a monolithic entity in which all members believe the exact same thing in this regard. Tons of people who are serving or have served in the military openly say they fight/fought for the players' right to protest peacefully.Furthermore, from 2014:
https://www.si.com/vault/2014/09/29/106640023/the-case-for--the-nfls-tax-exemptionAlso, the NFL actually does pay taxes on almost 100% of its income. The league's revenue is mainly generated by a quartet of for-profit subsidiaries. NFL Enterprises, NFL Properties, NFL Productions and NFL International control licensing, sponsorships, marketing, publicity, promotion, broadcast, merchandise and distribution. They generate the cash and share it with Uncle Sam.
Individual teams also pay up. Each franchise receives equal amounts of shared revenue (from television, radio, league apparel), plus unequal revenues for concessions, parking, pro shop sales and gate receipts. If any team has a profit remaining after expenses, it pays taxes.
Taxing the league office would lead to modest tax income at best. In the last three tax filings that are publicly available, the NFL reported income of $9 million in 2012, and losses of $77.6 million in 2011 and $52.2 million in 2010. How could the NFL lose money? Because the NFL doesn't make money. The NFL's main source of revenue is the membership dues paid by the teams, approximately $6 million each. This revenue is used to pay the hefty salaries of league executives, including commissioner Roger Goodell, who earned $85 million in compensation from 2010 through '12 (on which he paid personal income tax). The dues also pay rent for the NFL's New York City offices.kin to all that throbsNot a single person has said black lives don't matter.
It's like people just make this s*** up for some reason to be angry you suck at life.We make men without chests and expect from them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. - C.S. LewisMal_Fet posted...Cruel Trump demanded that you stand.
Democrats require only that you kneel.Mal_Fet posted...Bullet_Wing posted...
Mal_Fet posted...
Cruel Trump demanded that you stand.
Democrats require only that you kneel.
See, this is stupid because no one at all is insisting on anyone kneeling.
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/352045-dem-calls-for-all-nfl-players-to-kneel-during-national-anthem
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/world/senate-trump-russia-hearings-1.4149353We are living in a world today where lemonade is made from artificial flavors and furniture polish is made from real lemons.Zeeak4444 posted...Mal really does provide some of the best entertainment on the site.
From the looks of things he doesn't even read his own links.
Soon he's just gonna wipe his ass on the keyboard and say it proves that he's right.Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars"
AutumnEspirit: *kissu*Zeeak4444 posted...Mal really does provide some of the best entertainment on the site.
He's so overdue for being ignored but if I do then all of the interesting topics will lose over half of their posts. Plus everyone and their mother quotes the guy anyways so it's just a waste of time.Who is? I am!ZMythos posted...Zeeak4444 posted...
Mal really does provide some of the best entertainment on the site.
From the looks of things he doesn't even read his own links.
Soon he's just gonna wipe his ass on the keyboard and say it proves that he's right.
He’s never read his own links, it’s always my favorite part of his meltdowns.Support local music.
But not if it sucks.A_Good_Boy posted...Zeeak4444 posted...
Mal really does provide some of the best entertainment on the site.
He's so overdue for being ignored but if I do then all of the interesting topics will lose over half of their posts. Plus everyone and their mother quotes the guy anyways so it's just a waste of time.
This is exactly why I haven't done it yet lol.
shockthemonkey posted...ZMythos posted...
Zeeak4444 posted...
Mal really does provide some of the best entertainment on the site.
From the looks of things he doesn't even read his own links.
Soon he's just gonna wipe his ass on the keyboard and say it proves that he's right.
He’s never read his own links, it’s always my favorite part of his meltdowns.
These really can't be stated enough. Both true AF.Typical gameFAQers are "Complainers that always complain about those who complain about real legitimate complaints."-Joker_XHypnoCoosh posted...Mal_Fet posted...
eliminate a law that has allowed the N.F.L. central office to avoid paying taxes as a nonprofit entity.
Exactly how is this a bad thing again?
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